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Post by dgriffin on Feb 9, 2012 14:29:27 GMT -5
In today's live coverage of trial by the OD: Comment From Guest Will the Sheriff's report of this night be made public ??... would be interesting reading. 12:14 Rocco LaDuca: (sheriff robert maciol has told me that he hopes to have the report of the agency's internal review released in several months, possibly by june) I have the same comment I had before - what's the hold up? |
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Post by corner on Feb 9, 2012 15:25:46 GMT -5
probablyneeds to be sanitized! paterson found guilty on alllcharges
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Post by Clipper on Feb 9, 2012 15:59:30 GMT -5
Patterson was found guilty on all charges, but why is it going to take until June to make the report available. They have had plenty of time to prepare it since that night in Patterson's garage.
Maybe the state attorney general should be seizing all the pertinent reports, video, dispatch tapes of radio chatter, etc. in order to preserve all the information that is available. It may already be too late to preserve anything that looks incriminating or negligent on the part of LE. Let someone besides the Sheriff do the investigating and publish the conclusions.
There doesn't need to be a pointed prosecutorial slant put on it, but it damn sure needs to see daylight to simply prevent it happening again, and to insure that those that showed lack of training or negligence, are properly trained.
Whether Patterson was guilty of non compliance with the LEO's or not, nobody will ever convince me that the police didn't precipitate the shooting by initiating the firefight. Whatever outcome they EXPECTED to accomplish, they obviously didn't contemplate the possibility that it would not happen as planned. Patterson fired the deadly shot, but law enforcement put the wheels in motion for that deadly outcome through a series of serious tactical errors, from firing the non-lethal rounds, to Deputy Wyman's rushing into the garage.
Very sad indeed. The picture in the OD showing Wyman's widow makes my heart ache. A young lady without a husband, and an infant without a father, and it all could have been avoided had the situation been handled differently by all involved. As long as he was confined to the garage, time was on the side of LE. Training, training, training. That young deputy died a hero, but it was a sad and unnecessary death. May he rest in peace.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2012 16:09:49 GMT -5
I don't agree with the verdict. To many mistakes and a lack of intent. I guess the jury was going for revenge. Of course the jury might have been fearful of what would happen to them if it came back not guilty of aggrevated murder.
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Post by firstamendment on Feb 9, 2012 16:28:11 GMT -5
Guilty on all counts. Unbeliebable. When is the Sheriff's office going to be held accountable for their actions that night and the mistakes they made?
Nebush certainly will appeal this.
Interesting to note that Maciol said months ago the report was finalized and was holding it back til after trial. now are they amending it seeing Patterson was convicted? This is complete and utter bullshit.
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Post by JGRobinson on Feb 9, 2012 16:55:59 GMT -5
Its just wrong....
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Post by dgriffin on Feb 9, 2012 17:26:54 GMT -5
I'm not surprised by the the conviction, but the aggravated murder does surprise me. The following from the OD is interesting and makes me wonder even more that the jury found Patterson guilty of aggravated murder. Review Rocco LaDuca comments in the OD beginning around 11:40 a.m. today. Here is a key entry. Rocco LaDuca: judge donalty has just spent some time explaining the different options that the jury will have to consider when deciding if patterson is guilty of aggravated murder ... for that charge, the jury would have to find that patterson intending to kill deputy wyman, while knowing that wyman was a police officer who was in the course of performing his official duties Rocco LaDuca: if the jury does find patterson guilty of aggravated murder, donalty said they must then consider the defense that patterson was suffering extreme emotional disturbance at the time of the shooting ... if the jury does not believe patterson was acting under extreme emotional disturbance, then jury must find patterson guilty of aggravated murder ... LaDuca also says the judge told the jury that another option, "aggravated first-degree manslaughter" would require the jury find that Patterson wanted to cause grave physical harm to the Deputy. So it might have even been surprising had he been found guilty on the lesser charge if the defense had more strongly built a case of a lack of intent. Go here and click: www.uticaod.com/live/x1605025984/LIVE-COVERAGE-Deputys-accused-killer-faces-trial |
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Post by longtimer on Feb 9, 2012 19:42:37 GMT -5
I am not surprised at all. I have spoken to a couple of attorneys over the last few days and they noted this is Oneida County and it is well known for being a pro prosecution environment. Apparently there was a lot of sighing and eye rolling etc. by the large contingent of LEO's present when defense made their points and they felt the judge should have stopped it but he did not. The jury only deliberated for a couple of hours which is extremely short. I guess they are on the same schedule that the OCS uses to get the sun to rise at 2am.
All I can say is I am totally disgusted that Maciol is playing with the report again. Next election he needs to go.
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Post by corner on Feb 9, 2012 20:02:38 GMT -5
the best thing i can say about maciol is at least he can be found on the job not like the last guy who could be found on a barstool at the roselawn most days and lets face it he got in because most folks didnt want that idiot townsend me i voted for the guy from rome pd
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Post by JGRobinson on Feb 9, 2012 21:01:22 GMT -5
That was a a quick decision. The Jury was sure he meant to kill a cop, positive that his fight with his girlfriend wasnt still rippig on his mind, sure that his reactions weren't primarily because he was afraid of being killed? I cant think that it was that cut and dry that all they needed was 2 hours.
A court room full of LEO's making facial expressions and a nobody thought that was wrong? He's never going to see the outside of a jail cell again in his life without shackles and 2 guards. I guess that means hes just as guilty as any other murderer that gets life in prison.
The guy who raped and killed a 6 YO in Sherrill, Trebilcock will get a couple years in a psych ward and Patterson gets life. ^months after the shooting in Knoxboro and the Sheriff doesn't have the report finished, I can tell you how it reads right now. Case closed....
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Post by longtimer on Feb 10, 2012 4:36:35 GMT -5
My biggest issue here is this report. The only reason he would need more time is that his report does not match testimony so he has to doctor it. I am sorry to say this but I am going to have absolutely no faith in any report issued by the OCS. This is exactly why many people have so much distrust of police agencies and police officers.
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Post by firstamendment on Feb 10, 2012 6:37:30 GMT -5
You will never see any report now. Even if you do, take it with a grain of salt. Maciol et al were just acquitted by Patterson's guilty verdict and that's all you'll ever hear from them on the issue. A public service such as law enforcement needs to be transparent and accountable to the people. We won't ever get a full account of that night, especially now in light of the conviction. I am still scratching my head that there is no audio and/or video presented from that night. Quite sure Nebush has adequate grounds for appeal on the denial of his request for a change of venue. Patterson is guilty but I still don't see a case for murder or manslaughter as intent to kill is required for both charges. The case for criminally negligent homicide seemed more appropriate since intent is not an issue and his recklessly shooting at what he couldn't even see certainly does look negligent. Corner, you voted for Masucci, the only one of the bunch who was law enforcement qualified to run an organization like the Sheriff's. This is yet one more reason why politics should play no role in law enforcement. The more electable candidate became Sheriff, not the better qualified. Trebilcock, in the Sherill case, opted for a bench trial and I don't see him getting off on a murder charge with any psychiatric defense. His internet searches and trying to destroy the hard drives tells me he knew enough to get rid of evidence. I believe his charge is also Aggravated Murder because the victim was a minor. Look back at my earlier post where I pasted the Penal code on it. FYI: www.uticaod.com/news/x655331663/Review-of-Wyman-s-death-wont-be-released-soonBy ROCCO LaDUCA Observer-Dispatch Posted Aug 24, 2011 @ 05:15 PM The Oneida County Sheriff’s Office has nearly completed its comprehensive review of the night one of its deputies was killed during an armed standoff in June, but the findings might not be made public until late this year, officials said. On Wednesday, Sheriff Robert Maciol said his office would not reveal any of the review until after Deputy Kurt Wyman’s alleged killer, Christian Patterson, has gone to trial for aggravated murder. Patterson’s trial is not set to begin until early December. That was over 5 months ago. |
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Post by corner on Feb 10, 2012 7:51:01 GMT -5
it will get sanitized and buried
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Post by dgriffin on Feb 10, 2012 8:17:05 GMT -5
Hmmm. There must be some young turk out there who is in one way or another involved in local government or justice, and is listening to the native drums and divining a golden opportunity to capture the hearts of voters by going after OCS.
Could happen.
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Post by firstamendment on Feb 10, 2012 9:08:50 GMT -5
it will get sanitized and buried Indeed it will. If I had to take an educated guess, I'd say you are a Trooper. Law enforcement for certain, but your honest and skeptical take on the OCSO tells me you're higher up the food chain. One of my wife's cousins is a Trooper also. Craig Eggleston. I can't remember what Troop he is with but he's from the Dolgeville area. Be safe out there and stay true to the oath you've sworn. |
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