UPD, Zone 57, Sunday OD article

[Clipper]

I will look in the back yard tommorrow morning and see if Ashley "blew in yet". I don't think if she knew what I have stated as to her discipline in my last few posts, she will like it here.

She is my grandaughter's age, and I would love to have her around to "spoil", but she would have to damned sure be in for a shocking change in the tolerance level that she is used to! Haha!

She would only be spoiled AFTER her behavior was changed, and she learned to do what she is told.

She is beautiful and smart. I would most likely treat her like my own. I would bust her ass when she was bad, and then hug her and make it plain that I loved her, but that assinine behavior gets an ass busting and punishment. Worked for three boys.Hey thelma, send her on down. Kathy could use some company, and she will damn sure make sure she behaves. Kathy loves kids, but has no patience or tolerance for any nonsense or misbehaving.

You already know what I would do. I's kick her in the ass, and then take her out for ice cream. I have a soft spot for little girls. Ask my grandaughter, or the foster daughter that still stays in communication, 30 years later. By the way, SHE will tell ya that she got her ass busted a couple of times too, even though she was in foster care, she was family! She never complained to her caseworker, and still considers my boys her "brothers".

Now there was a girl with REAL problems in her life. At thirteen, she had been beaten bloody by her mother, molested by her father, and raped by two of her brothers. She knew firsthand what grief and mistreatment was. She grew up to be a wonderful wife, and mother to three wonderful kids. Problems in life are not an excuse for bad behavior. They should be incentive to grow up and grow away of the problems, instead of into more.

Ashley would come RUNNING home soon. Glad to be be back with you. She would tell you that the only thing worse than being grounded is being dragged to a bowling alley, and then to Perkins Pancake house 4 or 5 nights a week,haha. She would tell ya that it was quite boring living with a guy that spends a few hours on the computer, then a few hours mowing the lawn, but most of his time GUARDING the lawn mower from this mythical character that is supposed to be coming from NY to steal the mower, or at least it's wheels.LOL

[thelma]

Ashley loves the water and knows how to swim. Tomorrow morning at breakfast, I'll ask her if Proctor has a swim team which I'm sure they do. I'll let you know her reaction and comments.

[thelma]

Clipper - Who are you kidding? If I sent Ashley down to spend time with you and Kathy, you guys would spoil her so bad she would never want to come back and live with me!!!!!

[dgriffin]

That's right, Thelma, I had forgotten that you were in the insurance business. You wrote: "When your car is stolen, there is no liability coverage for the damage the "thief" does." So, does that mean the thief is responsible, but neither the car owner or insurance company? And in this case, you would be responsbile for the theif's damages because she is your ward?
Seems like if a penniless theif hit my house in a stolen car, I'd never recover damages.

[thelma]

Dave - If I remember correctly, the damage to your house would be covered under your Homeowners Ins. policy in the circumstances you just mentioned.

[dgriffin]

thelma said:

Dave - If I remember correctly, the damage to your house would be covered under your Homeowners Ins. policy in the circumstances you just mentioned.

What a relief!! There are a lot of penniless people around here!

[bobbbiez]

To Whom It May Concern:

OMG!!!! Clipper "has a soft spot for little girls." Not sounding good. Hope we don't get monitored and investigated now by certain authorities.

Sincerely Concerned,
The Mythical Character

[Ralph]

Thelma, Proctor has a swim team...pretty good one too. Our daughter was on it and loved it. She was about the same size and build form the sound of it as your GD.

If she seriously wants a job and is willing to work where I do, drop me an e-mail or PM and well make some arrangements to talk about it.

We will be shortly doing another round of hiring for the new store, and always need folks at the others as well. I can't promise anything, but my opinions do go a long way when I voice them.

[Disgusted-Daily]

thelma,

I do not know your GD other than what you have posted about her. I understand the other comments about you can't be their forever and she needs to take responsibility. But I am with you, it would take allot more than what I have heard so far to allow my kid to go to prison. At 17 she would come out worst than when she went in.

At the prison we have a scared straight program that works very well and is sometimes mandated by the courts. But I am not sure how and if they have a program for females. Maybe the Sheriff's Department has a program for females. Of course warcup could better advise you. Maybe a camp for youths would be beneficial for her future.

Any how I still wish you and your GD the best of luck!

[thelma]

Todd - I have already inquired about the Scared Straight Program at the OCJ facilities. I was told by a CO that the teenagers that go thru this program are directed to do so by the Courts. My GD still has respect for people in authority and is not a hardened wise cracking criminal, and she does NOT belong locked up with these kind.

I do believe in "tough love" - BUT- I also believe in understanding, and love. She will be facing the consequences (both physical and emotional) of her actions for some time -BUT- at the same time, she will understand why and know that I will always love her. I've been the only stable thing in her life since she was born and I have no intentions of abandoning her now.

RALPH - Thank you for the offer and I will be sending you an Email message after I get back from car shopping today. This is definitely what she needs - a job to keep her busy, provide her with money she can use to buy her own clothes(LOL), and meet people and enforce her self-esteem.

[thelma]

wcup102 said:

Thelma,

Sorry for your misfourtune and thankfully no one was seriously hurt. As far as PINS, you may have to go to Family Court to file, unless probation takes it, but I have never heard of that. Also, I am not sure if PINS can be filed on someone after 15 yo. I know if one is in effect before they turn 16, then it can be continued until they are 18. LOL- I work there and still ain't sure how's that?! I will check on it tomorrow and let you know unless you find out before then. Good Luck!! (I think I may have found another shooter that needs to vent some frustration. No problem we can have two snipers.)

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Wcup - I just got off the phone with a Probation Officer and the answer is YES - she can be put on PINS! She was sitting right next to me listening to everything I was saying to the Probation Officer about her behavior. She knows I'm all done being "nice" Grandma and now she is going to learn I'm in charge - not her!

If Ralph is successful in helping her get a part time job - she is not only going to pay the fines for the tickets she received, BUT, she is going to pay me back for the cost of the car I have to buy to replace the one she totalled.

As long as she is under PINS - regardless if she turns 18, she still has to abide by the rules they put in place for her.

[Clipper]

Bobbbiez, even has much fun as we have messing with each other on here, I am not sure if I like any inferrence, even in a humorous vein about me liking little girls, haha! Shit, that is not a subject to be toyed with in todays world, where all that is neccessary is the allegation by some misguided little girl and a man's life, as he knows it, is over.

I love the ball breaking and fun we have, but lets not go there, with the little girl remarks. I am closterphobic, and don't think I would do well in a cell on baseless charges.haha. I have to tell ya, I am a "grandpa" not a pervert when it comes to kids. I love the joy that comes from watching them grow into young adults, and the rewards of parenthood and grandparenthood.

I have become so over aware of that shit in my old age that it is not funny. I am loved by all the kids at the bowling alley, and I am always a sucker when it comes to passing out quarters for the video games, but I am so uncomfortably aware of todays world, that I DON'T hug any of them or let them hug me. I have no physical contact with anyone elses kids because of todays warped and deviated pervs, and the suspicion that is cast on any older person, expressing any affection to minors at all.

I know a "retired" policeman here in Bristol, that was accused of molesting an 11 year old girl when he was a school resource officer. He was accused by the daughter of a drug dealing, addicted mother, whom he had arrested on several occasions. He was not even aware that the girl in question was that woman's daughter, until he was suspended and throw into a life altering, unjustified, ruination of his life.

His grandchild was in his custody, because his daughter was a drug addict, and unfit. The grandson was removed from his custody while the courts processed the case. The court case was dragged out over a year, and publicized in the local media. The suspension was heart breaking. The media coverage was sensationalized and cruel.

In the end, the charges were unfounded. The mother's revenge was found to the the contributing factor. He was reinstated, but not allowed to be a resource officer any longer. His spirit was broken, and his grandson was thrown into a county run foster program, and taken from Gram and Gramp, even though investigation proved the charges to be unfounded, and it was found that there had never been any problem with the grandson either. He was not returned when the innocent verdict came down.

All of this because a drug addicted crack whore, convinced her daughter to testify to the allegation that the officer made her touch him in his crotch area, on several occasions. Incidentally, the daughter is now in foster care, because the mother is in jail for her part in the whole unfair prosecution of the officer. He is now, retired and a broken man. Very sad.

While I love our fun on here, do you see where that particular subject is very scary and taboo to me? Thanks for understanding my paranoid over reaction, haha!

[bobbbiez]

Gotcha kiddo.

It is pretty sad when all is taken so damn serious and people have to worry about their innocent actions.

Yes, we all know there are some wackos out there, but last week when I heard on the news that they suspended a kindergartner, age 4, for playfully hitting his classmate on her rump, I'm beginning to think the system is getting alot sicker then the wackos.

[thelma]

Clipper - I understand your concern but don't worry - As the Custodial Guardian of Ashley, I would never, never believe you would ever be capable to being interested in her for sick reasons.

I know any interest you have in Ashley is of a Grandfather's concern for HER benefit and want only the best for her.

But, I agree - some subjects are taboo even kidding around. Afterall, this is a public forum and the Lord only knows what sickos might be reading our little jokes and interpreting them into something they are NOT.

Take care my friend.

[Clipper]

the wind must not ahve blown hard enough for her to have made the trip Thelma. I was in the yard alittle while ago, and she has not blown in yet! If she blew away, I guess we better start retracing the route between here and there, and see where she landed, haha!

By the way, I WILL buy icecream for her, just not for Bobbbiez. She doesn't need it. She better watch that little frame of hers and not be feeding it baked goods and frosting or icecream either. haha.

The next time she stops by, give her a piece of cake and shut her up will ya?? Hell, nobody's birthday cake will be safe until she gets a sugar fix!