Utica Tea Party

[gearofzanzibar]

Apr 15, 2009 11:25:43 GMT -5 bobbbiez said:

Also, where were the people who organized this whole frigging thing? You asked us to respond and the 15 of us that did showed up should have been met by you. Where the hell were you?

That's all I want to say. I'm too pi**ed to say anything else without blowing my lid completely.

The organizers are probably planning on being there tomorrow.

'Cause, you know, that's the date and time plastered on their website.

[Clipper]

Oh dear! Put on your travelin britches again Bobbbiez. Gotta go down there again tomorrow! Shheeesh. I am confused. I guess probably Frank is too. Uhh, how the hell can someone not be aware of the confusion about the dates, and correct it one way or another?

Hey look on the bright side. If 15 more people show up tomorrow, that will be a total of 30. That may be a record for public turnout at such an event in Utica NY where there is no free beer.

My suggestion to you Bobbbiez is to take your little sign, and a thermos of hot coffee, and meet Frank at the rally in Rome. I promise it will be much better attended than the one in Utica, and you will get to hang with the "big fella" for a while, haha. Not only that, but he will have a cheering section if and when he speaks.

[lucy]

GO GET THEM FRANK!!!!!!! WISH I WAS THERE!

[lucy]

Clipper my husband has a government job and they I have noticed that they want them to attend anything that has to do with politics.

[bobbbiez]

Clipper, I do appreciate you trying to console me, BUT IT AIN'T WORKING!

Any excuse would be lame. Recently according to reports I've read Utica like everywhere else has plenty on the unemployment line and are not working. Also, according to other reports Utica has an over abundance of senior citizens who also don't work. Where the hell were all those people? Not to mention all the stay-at-home moms who could have shown up on this beautiful day with kids in tow.

I stand by what I said about Uticans. They are useless lazy a** no minds that just want to sit in there homes and bitch!

As far as going to Rome's Tea Party, I think not. I'm done crusading today and for a long time. My foot can not take anymore on behalf of people that just don't give a sh*t.

Besides, Rome might have a good turn out but they still have the same problems, if not worse, then Utica's. What, you think the line for crooked politicians ends at Utica's city line? By far, their politicians are no cleaner then Utica's. God, look at who came from Rome and who many in Rome still brag about.............Destito herself. Her, her husband and family are idolized by many in Rome and the bitch keeps getting reelected.

Enough said. I'm still boiling.

[snickers]

Townsend and Griffo were up in Camden. They didn't speak, and I don't think they would have been well received had they decided to try.

Rant on, francor. I'm sure you'll express the feelings of many of us perfectly well.

If the crowd does break out the tar and feathers, I'll really be sorry I can't be there to witness the event. I'm sure somebody will get pictures!

[bobbbiez]

Lucy, Gear was on here but he didn't mention if he was at Utica's.
Don't know what he looks like so I can't give you an honest answer, but I did talk to a few people there and no one mentioned Clipper's Corner.

Gear will have to answer your question himself.

[bobbbiez]

Clipper, I was just emailed an explanation from the organizers and have forwarded it to you so check your emails.

This whole damn thing here for Utica is very upsetting to say the least.

[Clipper]

We just got back from our "buy one dinner, get one free" at Ruby Tuesday. Kathy had the lobster ravioli and I had shrimp scampi and a 6 ounce steak, along with the salad bar. Good groceries and the check was only $22 + tip.

I will check my email Sunshine. Uh, Roanne Destito is not in Rome City Politics, she is an assembly woman in the state assembly. I would have to disagree with you about Rome politics and corruption. They have had their day, but they have NEVER been anywhere near as crooked and underhanded in their politics as the party bosses in Utica.

I was speaking of strictly city level politics. Utica has the "council persons at large". That is a waste of city money, and only a political game to bolster the positions of those lobbying for the better neighborhoods and districts. You can bet your ass that Lorrie Arcuri, living in N. Utica, doesn't give a tinker's damn about Cornhill, or your neighborhood in W. Utica. Council person at large slots simply waste taxpayer money, and fill the needs of those that are in power in the better sections of the city. I would imagine that the whole "at large" system is harmful to those in the inner city, a majority of the time. It is just another place to spend money and play politics. Cut the slots, and cut the money for them from the budget.

Couple that with a mayor that is never at city hall, and has his "talking head" to take care of business, and a mayor that is a yes man to the county exec or anyone else that comes along. I suppose if Picente decides to take the sales tax revenues from the towns and cities, that will be okay with Roefaro too, just as the taking back of the OTB revenue was.

Bobbbiez, I have always loved Utica as much as you have, but I am slowly getting the idea that it is a lost cause. I think that every time I read something like your post, where the people just don't give a damn. You can't do it all by yourself Darlin. Don't have a stroke trying.

[Clipper]

Here is an email that Bobbbiez received from the organizers of the Utica TEA party. She said it was okay to post it. Sounds like the OD did it again, LOL. it is fairly long, but informative.

"After emailing a nasty note to the organizers here's what I just got back from them.
If you want to post this on the forum be my guest.

Can't believe this whole freaking thing! Now I don't know who to be pissed at. Signed Bobbbiez

--- On Wed, 4/15/09, UticaTeaParty.com <[e-mail]> wrote:

From: UticaTeaParty.com <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Utica Tea Party
To: [e-mail]
Date: Wednesday, April 15, 2009, 4:47 PM

Hi,



That’s because the rally isn’t planned until tomorrow, 4/16/09. The Utica OD posted the wrong date. It states the correct date on our website and those who signed up for our mailing list all received the following email. We plan to have future rallies as well as the one tomorrow.



Here is the email we’ve been sending to our subscribers. Please sign up.

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Hi all,



Firstly, let me say that YES, we know that date on the national tax day tea party says the Utica tea party is April 15th. That date is WRONG. The Utica NY, Tea party is Thursday April 16th. This was done so we do not compete with the turnout of the Rome or Syracuse tea parties.



Below is the information on the Utica, NY Tea Party. Please forward this email and information to everyone you know so we get a good turnout.
What: Utica, NY Tea Party
When: Thursday April 16, 2009 - 11:00am
Where: New York State office building
200 Genesee St.
Utica, NY 13501
We will be on the public sidewalk in front.
We were going to have a sign making meeting but due to time restraints and organizers attending and speaking at other events on the 15th we have been forced to cancel that meeting. Please take some time and make your own sign. Your sign and information should be personal to you, a message that tells why you are there. If you are looking for ideas on what to put on a sign please go to www.marshbaby.com/teaparty as there are LOTS of great ideas for signs there. Also, remember to bring your tea bag!
Remember, this is not an anti-Obama. It is not intended to bash Obama as that will get us nowhere. Protesting against President Obama will only diminish the purpose and become fuel for the mainstream media. Don't go there! The purpose of the tea party is to tell our leaders that we are not happy with the high government spending.
We are there to talk to people, handout information that will be provided by people there once you arrive and talk to people in a civil tone. There will undoubtedly be passers-by with opposing views and may say things in an attempt to provoke. I remind everyone, if you are in control of yourself and remain calm your point will be much more clear. If you present yourself as a person in control of yourself people will see that. Set an example that we are not radical nut jobs.

Again, Please forward this message to everyone you know! Thanks again for working to make a difference – it will not go unnoticed! Below is some information to help you with anything you may want to pass out on Thursday April 16, 2009 at the Utica State Office building.



Tax Facts



¨ In 2005, the estimated time and money cost of complying with the federal Internal Revenue Code was 6 billion man-hours worth $265 billion.

¨ The code that year stood at 7 million words in 736 code sections, up from 718,000 words in 103 code sections in 1955. By contrast, the King James Bible has 788,280 words in 66 books, the Harry Potter series has just over 1 million words in 7 books, and the English translation of War and Peace has 560,000 words.

¨ In 2009, Americans worked 103 days of the year to pay for federal, state, and local taxes. This is more than the days worked for housing, food, and clothing (13 days) combined. Americans worked 38 days to pay income taxes, 27 days to pay Social Insurance taxes, 15 days to pay sales and excise taxes, 12 days to pay property taxes, 6 days to pay corporate income taxes, and 4 days to pay other taxes.

¨ In 2006, about one-third of all individual income tax returns (45.6 million) reclaimed every dollar of income tax withheld during the year.

¨ The form 1040 and instructions in 1913 was only 4 pages. In 2009, they are 94 pages.

¨ In tax year 2008, 154.3 million individual income tax returns were filed, resulting in government collections after refunds of $1.059 trillion.

¨ 61 percent of filers used a paid preparer.

¨ In tax year 2006, the “top 10 percent” began at $108,904 in adjusted gross income; the “top 1 percent” at $388,806 in adjusted gross income. 355,204 returns had more than $1 million in adjusted gross income.

¨ 62.8% of individual returns claim the standard deduction; 35.3% itemize.

¨ In 2005, 21.9 million returns claimed the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC), which paid out $39.7 billion. 12.8 million returns checked the box to provide funds to the Presidential Election Campaign Fund. 48 taxpayers gave a total of $21,179 to reduce the national debt.

¨ 7 states have no state income tax: Alaska, Florida, Nevada, South Dakota, Texas, Washington, and Wyoming. Two other states, New Hampshire and Tennessee, tax capital income but not wage income.

¨ 5 states have no state sales tax: Alaska, Delaware, Montana, New Hampshire, and Oregon.

¨ The first income tax was levied in 1404 in England. While the U.S. adopted a temporary income tax in 1862, it was not permanently enacted until 1913 after ratification of the Sixteenth Amendment.

¨ The 1913 income tax rates ranged from 1 percent to 7 percent on income over $500,000. The average annual income earned that year was $800.

Principles of Sound Tax Policy



¨ Simplicity. Administrative costs are a loss to society, and complicated taxation undermines voluntary compliance by creating incentives to shelter and disguise income.

¨ Transparency. Tax legislation should be based on sound legislative procedures and careful analysis. A good tax system requires informed taxpayers who understand how tax assessment, collection, and compliance works. There should be open hearings and revenue estimates should be fully explained and replicable.

¨ Neutrality. The fewer economic decisions that are made for tax reasons, the better. The primary purpose of taxes is to raise needed revenue, not to micromanage the economy. The tax system should not favor certain industries, activities, or products.

¨ Stability. When tax laws are in constant flux, long-range financial planning is difficult. Lawmakers should avoid enacting temporary tax laws, including tax holidays and amnesties.

¨ No Retroactivity. As a corollary to the principle of stability, taxpayers should rely with confidence on the law as it exists when contracts are signed and transactions made.

¨ Broad Bases and Low Rate. As a corollary to the principle of neutrality, lawmakers should avoid enacting targeted deductions, credits and exclusions. If such tax preferences are few, substantial revenue can be raised with low tax rates. Broad-based taxes can also produce relatively stable tax revenues from year to year.



www.TaxFoundation.org



¨ "The art of taxation consists in so plucking the goose as to obtain the largest possible amount of feathers with the smallest possible amount of hissing."
-Jean Baptiste Colbert, Minister of Finance under King Louis XIV of France

¨ "[T]he power to tax involves the power to destroy."
-Chief Justice John Marshall

¨ "To spend is to tax."
-Milton Friedman

¨ "Taxes are what we pay for civilized society...."
-Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes

¨ "In this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes."
-Benjamin Franklin

¨ If you drive a car, I'll tax the street;
if you try to sit, I'll tax your seat;
if you get too cold, I'll tax the heat;
if you take a walk, I'll tax your feet.
—The Beatles, Taxman

[Clipper]

Dave, you were posting while I was copying and pasting Bobbbiez's email from the organizers. Sorry about that.

[bobbbiez]

When you read my email, your summery of Uticans just might change and I might own a willing apology. At least till we see what takes place tomorrow.

[dgriffin]

Now, let me see ..... The day of protest about taxes is scheduled by most towns on April 15 (taxes due day), but Utica has it a day later. Why does that sound so "Utica" to me? And their reason is not to conflict with one town that is smaller and another town that's FIFTY miles down the Thruway.
Yup, very "Utica."

Well, I have the perfect solution to all of this. They should have had a Mohawk Valley Tea Party !!

[Clipper]

No apology coming from here kiddo. YOU are among the few and the dedicated. My opinion of the majority of the city's politicians and most of the lazy asses that you spoke of hasn't changed. You have said nothing to change my mind about the corruption in the City of Utica. I was born and brought up there, just as you were. It doesn't do any good to deny that the crap exists. Over all the years that I was around there, I can count on one hand the council persons that had the dedication to the city that Larry Tanoury Sr had, and Howard Welch, along with a very few others. Most are in office to play political games and to line the pockets of themselves and their relatives and patrons. Does anyone actually remember the last time a common council BACKED a Mayor and worked WITH him for the GOOD of the city?? I can't.

Can't change MY mind kiddo. I love Utica, but the facts are that Utica politics suck, always have, and most likely will not change in our lifetimes. The only thing that changes is the names of the players and the locations of the backrooms where the decisions are made.

[bobbbiez]

Clipper, ain't trying to change your mind at all. It's pretty well fixed on that subject as mine is on believing all areas have the crooked politicians or we wouldn't "all" be in the mess we're in now.

Dave, it was the organizers who set the date and time for all areas not just for the Mohawk Valley. Remember in my earlier post, I did question what day it was and all came back quoting the OD who printed it was being held on the 15th.

The ironic part of this whole thing was a reporter was there this morning interviewing some. I didn't get his name because he was interviewing a man who was just there to bash the Democratic party and President Obama and I wasn't there for that, so I left. As far as I'm concerned I was there to bash all legislators and local officials from both parties. Just don't understand how one can just blame the Democratic party and Obama for our high taxes and the mess we're in now. As far as I remember Obama has only been President for 3 1/2 months and someone before him must have screwed up royally. This mess did not just happen over night or in just 3 1/2 months or is it the fault of just one man or just one party.