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Obama
Apr 29, 2008 15:53:12 GMT -5
Post by frankcor on Apr 29, 2008 15:53:12 GMT -5
Clipper and Ralph, I see both sides of the anger and support invoked by Rev. Wright. I watched several of his appearances over the weekend. I avoided watching Fox New's coverage of him after I noticed they kept repeating shorter clips than some of the other networks, resulting in placing Wright's comments in the most negative context.
One thing I noticed, Wright never answers a question directly. He's skilled at deflecting the question, using it to point out a flaw in the person asking the question. This was most noticeable when he successfully avoided answering the question about his statements that the United States deserved 9/11 by ridiculing the woman who was reading the question to him -- it wasn't even her question!
He has now made it sound that anybody who criticizes him is actually criticizing black churches in America. You can't criticize him without being called a racist. And that's despicable. It also works well.
One thing you'll never hear on any network is that those sound bites about chickens coming home to roost you hear from TV news were made by Wright as he was quoting Iraq's foreign minister at the time. The media, especially Fox, perpetuates the myth that those were Wright's own words. Yet, I'm puzzled in that Wright will not contradict the words. He tells people that he was only quoting the words of one of our enemies, but he will never say that he disagrees with our enemies. And that's what really bothers me.
Here is a man who will be moving into a 10,000 square foot multi-million dollar home and yet he preaches hatred for the nation that made it possible for him to enjoy the bounties of a life of hard work. I almost believe that he wants Obama to lose so that he can perpetuate the myth that allows him to fill the collection plates every Sunday.
Our parent's generation passed the legislation that ended institutional discrimination. Our generation, and those of our children and grandchildren have made great progress in living up to the color-blind vision of Dr. King. We have acknowledged the sins of our forefathers and have made reasonable amends. Today, middle-class African-American families are becoming more and more common. It's not enough yet, I know. And the Sharptons and Jacksons and Wrights continue to remind their constiuencies that it's not enough. And I know that angers a lot of us.
Whites continue to acknowledge our sins and work to correct them. Until blacks can accept that acknowledgement, race will be an issue in America. That does not mean that we should stop trying.
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Obama
Apr 29, 2008 17:52:18 GMT -5
Post by Clipper on Apr 29, 2008 17:52:18 GMT -5
One only needs to go to wikipedia, and read Rev. Jeremiah Wrights biographical information and educational information. He is a very well educated and intelligent man, but he is also very dangerous in his thinking.
Read a little farther, and you see where he was educated in a program or theology, called "black liberation theology". That theology condones killing whites. It states that any God that is accepted by black Americans, need to be a God that will "kill the white enemy:!
This man has spent a life time, furthering hate and racism, and making speeches against unity between races. He has even gone to Libya with Louis Farrakhan to meet with Qaddafi (sp)
You can bet your ass that he did not go there to promote peace between Muslims and black Christians and the Jews of Israel.
He, along with Al Sharpton, Louis Farrakhan, and others are the back side of the KKK coin. Just turn that coin over. It is the same coin, different image. Just as much hate, and just as much misguided rhetoric as the KKK, who operates under the guise of religion and white supremacy. Well here we have ministers that are in favor of Black supremacy.
Obama would not be disconnecting from this man if it were not for the publicity of late. Obama didn't worship under, and maintain a friendship with, for all those years, and not have the same thoughts and agenda in the back of his mind that Rev. Wright does. Nobody goes to church for twenty years to listen to a preacher that they don't agree with, or don't believe the same doctrine the preacher does.
I find all of these issues very disturbing, and cannot be convinced that Obama has unselfish motives for running, or the faith that he is not as big of a bigot as Rev. Wright.
People need to get on the internet and read about all of these candidates. People need to listen to a couple of different cable news channels to get a well rounded opinion. Don't let one biased news agency form YOUR opinion. Read, digest, think, and then form an informed opinion. A vote is a very valuable thing to waste, and a dangerous weapon if misused!
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Obama
Apr 30, 2008 2:12:39 GMT -5
Post by Ralph on Apr 30, 2008 2:12:39 GMT -5
I don't know if I can make the connection between Obama's thought process being aligned with Wrights, but I won't rule it out either. But if I disagreed that strongly with my Pastors reasonings.....well I would have found a new one years ago, and certainly not retained him on my campaign as my "spiritual adviser"!!!
But at this point it has become clear that Obama is trying to cut any connection he has ever had with Wright, and in the process it has also become apparent that he has pissed Wright off. Otherwise Wright would shut his trap.
I think that regardless of anyones opinions on either Wright or Obama, there is much more here than meets the eye.
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Obama
Apr 30, 2008 9:34:06 GMT -5
Post by concerned on Apr 30, 2008 9:34:06 GMT -5
Black Liberation Theology. It is a clasic movement under the original concept of Liberation Theology which I was studing while in graduate school at St Bernard's Seminary. One has to understand the Marxist influence in this 'theology' in order to appreciate what it entails. It really emerges from the preaching of Jesus at the sermon on the mount. Jesus came to liberate us from anything in society that would not fully express our freedom in Jesus. This theology is very active in the church of South America. Yes it can call for revolution. The only problem with this form of a 'theology' is that once it has accomplished it mission it falls apart. So it can't be a ' theology' that profeses Jesus and his continual response to us in love. Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community ... Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love.( this is a clasic response of liberation theology) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_liberation_theologyA good overview of Liberation Theology can be found here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_TheologyI might add that I worked under the concept of Dorothy Day who was a great supporter of this, expecially as it reflect the poor in society and our need to liberate society against our government that oppresses them.
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Obama
Apr 30, 2008 10:01:42 GMT -5
Post by bobbbiez on Apr 30, 2008 10:01:42 GMT -5
Ralph, yes, "regardless of anyones opinions there is much more here than meets the eye," with all three candidates." Sorry, but I don't see Obama as a threat to our country if he were elected. I do see him describing the conditions in this country and most don't want to hear the truth and especially coming from him. I do see a man standing up strong on all attacks made against him. I guess if all the candidates would stick to the problems this country is facing and what they plan on doing about solving these problems, we'd all be better off. I am not one who respects "dirt-throwing politics." All that does is cloud the real issues and keeps the candidates safe from addressing all.
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Obama
Apr 30, 2008 10:53:02 GMT -5
Post by Clipper on Apr 30, 2008 10:53:02 GMT -5
I can't seem to wrap myself around the "first black president" premise in his campaign. He is only a little blacker than I am, when I am tanned in summer. He looks more Arabic than black.
It is the socialist and Marxist background that scares me. I guess I read and form opinions based on my reading, and many of us don't have the time that I do, in my retirement, so they do not read as much, and form opinions based on gut feeling, and media coverage.
If one takes time to read some of his writings, and those of his wife in years gone by, they indicate a mentality and ideology, that is not simple to change with the short period of time since the writing.
I normally sympathize with issues of race, but I can't accept any theory that Obama does not believe in the preachings of Rev Jeremiah Wright, and the ideology of "black liberation theology", which teaches killing of the "white enemy". Why would anyone go to a church, or be a personal friend with anyone with such hate and midguided views, if he didn't agree with the man?
I am not against a black president, but I am not convinced that Obama is the candidate that should be the first. I am not against a woman president, but I am DAMNED sure that Hillary isn't the one to get it done.
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Obama
Apr 30, 2008 11:08:19 GMT -5
Post by Ralph on Apr 30, 2008 11:08:19 GMT -5
I'm getting tired of hearing about him being the first Black President as well, seeing as he is only half Black.
He seems to be trying to hide the White half somewhere along the line, it's only by chance that his skin color is as dark as it is.
I am more concerned with is background than with his skin color. And his background leaves a lot to be desired in some of his political and religious affiliations.
Granted that the other two aren't all that and a bag of chips, but they don't seem to have more than the usual garbage in their backgrounds.
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Obama
Apr 30, 2008 11:34:37 GMT -5
Post by bobbbiez on Apr 30, 2008 11:34:37 GMT -5
I truly don't believe Obama practices the black liberation theology. I've explained in past posts why I feel he should not be condemned on what Rev. Wright is now saying. Personally right now, I think Rev. Wright has become a little senile in his old age and gets carried away in some his speeches and I feel he doesn't want Obama to be elected as President. That alone I can see into and that tells me that Obama does not stand behind Rev. Wright's preaching now. Not to defend, but have to say I did listen to Rev. Wright's entire speech to the NAACP and I did not hear him say anything against anyone or anything. In fact, I found his speech then to be very inspirational to all, including myself. The NAACP is well respected by many, blacks and whites. Their members consist of blacks and whites. Keeping that in mind, if Rev. Wright was disrespecting any race or attacking any race, I'm positive they would not have presented him with "their" award that night. If I choose to vote for Obama for President then I will be voting for the man and not for his Rev. or anyone else.
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Obama
Apr 30, 2008 12:31:59 GMT -5
Post by Disgusted-Daily on Apr 30, 2008 12:31:59 GMT -5
I agree. How can he not know about Rev Jeremiah Wright, and the ideology of "black liberation theology", which teaches killing of the "white enemy"? This is nothing knew and is a known fact that he has been preaching or spewing this hatred for the White Man for 20yrs.
Rev Wright's hate for our Government for his Aids epidemic conspiracy theory, in which the White man has done allot for this disease and for overall better living conditions in Africa and the black community. Then you have 911? are you kidding me, we deserved that? He should be transported with Sharpton and Farrakhan back to Africa where their own black heritage chained them and sold them to the White Man for slavery. I don't agree with slavery but I often wonder if blacks would have ever made it to this country if their wasn't slavery?
Why does the Black community not see the harm in this mans message? Some comments he has made also reflects on there own race and their are defiantly smart and well educated people in that race.
I am truly saddened for my son and all children in the future that we have left this burden on them to try and resolve. This in it's shelf has to be the longest war Americans have ever fought.
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Obama
Apr 30, 2008 13:07:00 GMT -5
Post by frankcor on Apr 30, 2008 13:07:00 GMT -5
Isn't anyone else sick of the assassination by association that's been going on? I don't like Obama's politics and could not care any less about with whom he associates.
And besides, wasn't Bill Clinton the first black president?
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Obama
Apr 30, 2008 13:26:54 GMT -5
Post by corner on Apr 30, 2008 13:26:54 GMT -5
i got a feeling mr obamas true feelings lie somewhere close to wrights this might all be aconvoluted game to make it appear not so and get more white votes.
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Obama
Apr 30, 2008 16:00:06 GMT -5
Post by bobbbiez on Apr 30, 2008 16:00:06 GMT -5
Corner, don't believe Obama has to do that to "get some white votes." Think he already had that long before this bullsh*t with Rev. Wright, since he's ahead of the numbers already.
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Obama
Apr 30, 2008 16:01:41 GMT -5
Post by corner on Apr 30, 2008 16:01:41 GMT -5
true bottom line is both obam and clinton are bottom feeders and are handing the presidency to mc cain
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Obama
Apr 30, 2008 16:23:59 GMT -5
Post by bobbbiez on Apr 30, 2008 16:23:59 GMT -5
Not so sure of that yet. Once the Democrats stop fighting who should be their candidate , then the concentration will be on McCain and he'll have alot of questions to answer himself. I'm sure then, it won't be such smooth sailing for him as it is now.
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Obama
May 2, 2008 14:57:44 GMT -5
Post by Ralph on May 2, 2008 14:57:44 GMT -5
This is going to be one of those years I hold my nose when going into the voting booth...........no matter who is on which ticket.
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