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Obama
Mar 26, 2008 17:26:54 GMT -5
Post by bobbbiez on Mar 26, 2008 17:26:54 GMT -5
At this point I will vote for Obama. Personally, I have more trust in him then I do with the other three candidates, Hillary & Bill Clinton and McCain. In Obama's defense I do not hold him responsible for what his Pastor states or do I hold any candidate responsible for what their supporters might state. You all know as adults that we can not control others feelings, opinions or beliefs. Sh-t, even in our own families many disagree on very important issues but it doesn't mean we feel the same just because we are part of that family. The Pastor of my church and I are very dear, close friends but I do not always agree with him on many issues and he would be the first to tell you that is so true. I can not expect him to agree with me just because he is my friend. Does that hinger our friendship? Hell no! If I chose my friends by what they believed in then I would have no friends because none of us have the same beliefs on many, many things. Plus, one can try to interpret another's beliefs and come up with a total different translation on the same issue. I believe we need a drastic change in the White House and I will vote for the one who I believe is capable of making those changes. I believe Obama is that one for me.
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Obama
Mar 26, 2008 17:34:32 GMT -5
Post by thelma on Mar 26, 2008 17:34:32 GMT -5
Bobbiez - You and I are friends -BUT- I have no intentions of voting for Obama. So what you just posted about friends having different opinions from yours, is true between you and I.
However, we do agree on most things - LOL!
I'm glad to see you have recuperated enough to get back on the compter. Don't overdo and get plenty of rest as you will need all your strength to get over that nasty flu bug. You've been missed.
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Obama
Mar 26, 2008 17:50:31 GMT -5
Post by Clipper on Mar 26, 2008 17:50:31 GMT -5
Hey there sunshine! Glad you are getting better and can at least get online for a minute or two! Don't over do it. DON'T GO TO THE NEXT THREAD DOWN THE PAGE ABOUT POLITICAL QUIZ! It might be bad for you in your weakened condition! Hhahahaa!(might be even worse for ME) Get well soon kiddo!
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Obama
Mar 26, 2008 17:50:37 GMT -5
Post by bobbbiez on Mar 26, 2008 17:50:37 GMT -5
Thanks girlfriend. Still feel pretty sh-tty but have to take it easy. This thing doesn't let you do otherwise. Yes, friends will always disagree. That's what makes this world go around. Actually, I couldn't stand someone always agreeing with me. Life would be too boring and I would never learn anything new if that was the case. Kind of proves what I said about Obama. You and I do disagree many times but remain good friends.
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Obama
Mar 26, 2008 17:55:09 GMT -5
Post by Swimmy on Mar 26, 2008 17:55:09 GMT -5
That's what makes us friends! We can disagree and still co-exist.
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Obama
Apr 16, 2008 18:04:42 GMT -5
Post by Clipper on Apr 16, 2008 18:04:42 GMT -5
Has anyone read about Mrs. Obama's racist and separationalist views while in college at Princeton?? She is not old enough to have "outgrown" very many of those views and they seemed pretty well entrenched in her overall being to me.
I will try to find the article on the MSN homepage and link it here, but it was much earlier when I read it, and it may be gone by now.
She is not running for president, but coupled with the remarks from their pastor, I have to give serious thought to what might be the rhetoric coming out of the whitehouse if those two were to move in. I guess old Barrak's reputation could be viewed "by the company he keeps".
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Obama
Apr 16, 2008 18:54:46 GMT -5
Post by Clipper on Apr 16, 2008 18:54:46 GMT -5
I was unable to find the article again on the MSN homepage, but all one needs to do is type "Michelle Obama" in the search block and there is a wealth of information about her to be had and some very interesting reading. Her entire Thesis from her days at Princeton, is very good reading and gives one insight into her seperationalist views in the "not so long ago" past.
I read "politico" from capital news service. They have articles on their webpage about Obama's father and socialism. I read that although he condoned a socialist governement for Kenya and for Africa in general, he did not agree with the Marxist style of socialism practiced in the Soviet Union and Russia.
Considering thefact that Obama was raised by mother and grandparents with little influence in his life from his father, I would be much more worried about the political views and the doctorines believed in by his wife, Michelle, than I would be about the views and beliefs of his absent father.
Remember, Michelle will be the first lady of our country if he wins the presidential election.
Also remember that Bill Clinton will be the "first guy" if Hillary gets elected. THAT IS A REALLY SCAREY THOUGHT!! haha.
I myself am alarmed by the political views and racist comments from both the "college aged" wife, and the comments by the Rev. Wright, Obama's former pastor. I don't see all these racist and separatist issues just going away over a few short years in the Obama's lives. I also don't see these views being in the best interests of the nation, or see those views fostering productive resolution to the race problems that already exist.
Racism is not a one way street, and we all know MY views on racism of any kind.
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Obama
Apr 17, 2008 21:54:56 GMT -5
Post by frankcor on Apr 17, 2008 21:54:56 GMT -5
Just as the Clintons are products of the 60s (when they came of age), Obama and Hillary are products of the 80s. They came of age in the upper East Side (Barack at Columbia), Princeton (Michelle) and Cambridge, Mass. (Harvard). If you recall, the liberal wing of the Democratic party was reeling from the Reagan Revolution. Barack and Michelle learned that the issues that liberals were losing on (guns, family values, tax cuts) were to be called "wedge" issues while the issues upon which they could win were the only true legitimate issues. These were the times of class distinctions and outright class warfare.
I believe Obama's remarks about rural America reveal his true nature. He is not a liberal. He is a Marxist. Listen to his words about clinging to religion and compare them to Marx's words, originally in the German: "Die Religion ... ist das Opium des Volkes" (religion is the opium of the masses)
Any questions?
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Obama
Apr 18, 2008 0:42:07 GMT -5
Post by Ralph on Apr 18, 2008 0:42:07 GMT -5
After researching that remark in the vein you indicated Frank, I got some truly scary things to read about!
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Obama
Apr 18, 2008 7:14:00 GMT -5
Post by frankcor on Apr 18, 2008 7:14:00 GMT -5
Ralph, you and I aren't the only ones whose ears perked up when we heard Obama's offhand remarks. I failed to attribute my words to Bill Kristol who wrote a column for the New York Times: The Mask SlipsI've heard Obama try to wiggle out of this several times, most recently in the ABC debate on Wednesday evening. However, I remain convinced that he meant what he said. It's in his DNA.
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Obama
Apr 18, 2008 10:54:53 GMT -5
Post by Clipper on Apr 18, 2008 10:54:53 GMT -5
Frank, "The Mask Slips" is a very interesting bit of reading. I would be very afraid, if the country and it's voters elected a marxist to the highest office in the land.
Thus far in the campaign, I have seen enough slips of the lips in his campaign rhetoric, to convince me that he is not only a poor choice for president, he is a serious threat to democracy in general if he were to be elected.
I cannot imagine the messages that would be coming from a whitehouse where the president is a marxist, and the first lady is a racist. Sounds like a formula for fueling racial uprising and rioting instead of racial harmony and progress in addressing issues of race.
Reading Michelle's college thesis, when she was at Princeton, was a real eye-opener. This kind of racism doesn't go away with age. This type of racism is engrained and dangerous. This kind of racism in both whites and blacks is why resolutions to racial problems are next to impossible to achieve.
I find that Obama is becoming more and more transparent, with every verbal gaff he makes. It is becoming more and more evident that his underlying ideals and feelings are much different than the views of the issues, that he brings to the debates and speeches. He is a dangerous man, and a false prophet.
How anyone could vote for either Obama OR Clinton is beyond me. The transparency of their falsehoods and bullshit is so evident that one would be nuts to believe any of it.
John McCain is not squeaky clean, and I don't agree with all of his political views and stands on some issues, but I think he is on track with his policies for our military action in Iraq, and with his views and ideas for the illegal immigration issues.
It is another election like the last one. I can't say as I will be running up and down the street with a campaign sign, proclaiming the wonderous candidacy of John McCain, but I will be voting for him because he is the "least dangerous" to the american lifestyle. I voted for Bush in the last election. I am not happy that the choices were not better, and I am not happy with much of what he has done, but I am much happier than I would have been with a vote for Ketchup Queen's boy toy. I thought Kerry to be a total hypocrite, and an venomous clone of old fat assed Ted Kennedy.
There is nothing in this world that could convince me that Hillary Clinton has anything but ulterior and selfish motives> There is nothing in the world that can convince me that the country could stand another term of Clintons.
The presidency of Bill Clinton, was marred with scandal, but he was acceptable in his diplomatic accomplishments and in his presidential decision making.
Make NO mistake. Hillary is a totally different animal. SHE would bring the country to it's knees and has no motives other than personal accomplishment in running for president. Bill Clinton may be immoral in his sexual exploits. Hillary is much more dangerous, in that she is devious and drew all the emphasis in the investigations into the illegal business dealings. SHE is the one that I believe to be the more "criminal" in nature of the two.
In the mean time, I recommend that everybody go to the link that Frank posted and read the article. It is an eye opener. Also search "Michelle Obama" on-line, and you will find her to be a blatant racist and radical. The day will come when this country will have a black president, but I don't think this candidate is the one we want, and I don't think he would carry the banner of equal rights and unity among races.
Thanks Frank, and I am sorry for taking the thread to include the dangers of voting for Hillary also. This election is going to be very critical to the future of life as we know it. It is not simply a matter of economics or a candidates benign opinions on some political issues.
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Obama
Apr 18, 2008 15:01:36 GMT -5
Post by frankcor on Apr 18, 2008 15:01:36 GMT -5
I think most of us here share your feelings, Clipper. No problem on including Hillary in a topic concerning people unfit for the presidency.
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Obama
Apr 28, 2008 17:47:35 GMT -5
Post by wilum47 on Apr 28, 2008 17:47:35 GMT -5
Clipper, 'Nough said! 110% right on all three!
I'll hold my nose a little with McCain just so neither of those two Leninist make it.
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Obama
Apr 28, 2008 19:54:52 GMT -5
Post by bobbbiez on Apr 28, 2008 19:54:52 GMT -5
I listened to Rev. Wright's addressing the NAACP last night and I personally don't feel the man said anything wrong or bad about anyone or anything. He simply stated that a change is coming and that many of us are going to change in how we see each other. He stressed, "different does not mean deficient" and I agree with his outlook and how he explained himself. I guess there will always be those that never listen to one in the entirety and will always take one's words out of content. It happens to all of us, even here on the forum. In defense of Obama, I can only repeat what I've stated before. I have been a Catholic for 64 years but I don't stand behind the Catholic Church on all issues. That doesn't make me a lesser Catholic or a bad person. I have been very close to my Pastor, as he is my dear friend, but I don't always believe in what he preaches. That's his opinion and I respect the right for him to have his opinion as I do for others. That does not make me a lesser Catholic or a bad person. I am very impressed that Obama is standing strong on all the attacks made on him and I'm sure I'm not the only one that feels that way. Because of this I can see him as our President. The other two candidates have also screwed up in their campaigning and in their lives. They have said things and their supporters have said things that I strongly disagree with also. I suggest all open their ears to all who are running and then make the best choice you can. For me, I'm looking for that change, Rev. Wright is talking about and preaching for.
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Obama
Apr 29, 2008 15:23:59 GMT -5
Post by Ralph on Apr 29, 2008 15:23:59 GMT -5
I don't know.......
I checked out a bunch of Rev. Wrights speeches, rantings or whatever you call them. He isn't building any bridges in most of them, but driving the wedge deeper in my opinion.
I think sooner or later he'll be getting the "Al Sharpton" stamp of approval.
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