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Post by thelma on Apr 13, 2008 21:01:48 GMT -5
Swimmy - Thanks for the explanation but most of it went over my head - LOL! I missed the 6 PM news and will be watching the Sopranos when the 11 PM news comes on so will miss whatever WKTV will be announcing.
I'll just wait until tomorrow and see if the OD has anything further on this. If not, will wait for the results of the Trial.
What does it take to be adjudged innocent by reason of self-defense?
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Post by Clipper on Apr 13, 2008 23:09:29 GMT -5
Looks tired. I guess that is the way a girl can look, after a hard night of drinking and killing! I'd say it wasn't her first rodeo. She looks like a high mileage, long time drinker to me. I don't know about recent years, but in years past, the Hylander was known more for its drugs than its beer. I guess we will have to wait for the OD to fill us in on the details.  I guess we can't judge by the photo. Killing your husband can have a horrible effect on your countenance., plus I don't think they have make-up mirrors in the booking rooms. Don't even look at the picture in the OD, swimmy! SHE ISN'T THE ONE!! Keep looking, I don't think she is going to be the rich widow that we had in mind for you. |
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Post by denise on Apr 14, 2008 9:01:36 GMT -5
Ridden hard and put away wet was the phrase that popped into my head when I saw Mrs. Voce's photo.
Terrible on many different levels, and who knows what led up to it. I guess they could have been drunk and arguing and thing got out of hand or maybe he abused her one too many times. Any way you look at it, it is tragic for the family.
I don't recall her, but I think I recall him. About 23 years ago, I used to regularly hang out at a corner bar, The Eastside Lounge, on Catherine & Wetmore. If the deceased is who I think he is, his father was a bartender at the Eastside. Mr. Voce Sr. was a very nice man, and I do remember his son being a regular at the bar.
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Post by kim on Apr 14, 2008 10:19:44 GMT -5
Was there a bar on that corner called Jiggers at one point? I seem to remember going to a bar there a few times because the bartender was someone I knew from MVCC. I remember there being a murder there (I was not there at the time, thankfully - I don't think I had been there in a while), and I never went there again. Never saw that guy again, either! Anyway, am thinking of the right location for that bar?
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Post by Swimmy on Apr 14, 2008 10:30:18 GMT -5
It could be that the wife was losing the argument and grew upset and stabbed him. My ex would get physically violent whenever we argued over something and she felt she was "losing" the argument.
Anyone else find it disgraceful that the article in today's paper is the SAME as the one on the website since Sunday early afternoon?
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Post by kim on Apr 14, 2008 10:40:56 GMT -5
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Post by thelma on Apr 14, 2008 10:50:59 GMT -5
When I looked at Mrs. Voce picture that the OD published, my first impression was of someone that looked like she was in a state of shock, as well as grief.
I will hold back making any judgments about what MIGHT have happened leading up to Mr. Voce's death until the facts come out in a Court of Law. This was a long standing marrage and BOTH parties were well thought of by their friends that knew them. Their two children are ages 19 and 15 and, hopefully, family members will help them get thru this without the 15 year old having to go into a Foster Home.
This is a tragedy for all the parties concerned.
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Post by denise on Apr 14, 2008 11:13:30 GMT -5
Kim, I have a great-aunt that still lives in the Catherine Street area. The last time I was over there (Christmas time, I think), the bar was closed. I never went there when it was Jiggers.
Swimmy, the OD is indeed disgraceful. I wouldn't describe them as "on top of things", that's for sure!!
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Post by Clipper on Apr 14, 2008 11:54:13 GMT -5
Ya know Thelma, you are right. I am ashamed of the cold and unfeeling assessment in my post above. I read the comment section of the article in the OD, and read the comment from the oldest son, who has a dead father and a jailed mother. To read the comments of the boy, will make anyone stop and think before they criticize or demean the wife without the facts.
I also had to think after reading the comments from the son, that it was rather in poor taste for the OD to put it up for comment the day of the incident, knowing the kind of comment and criticism that would result.
I made a snap judgement because I hear so damned much publicity about poor abused women, but never see much publicity when some miserable, menopausal, psychotic wench abuses a husband.
I would agree that the prayers and concerns should be with the family, and the judgement left to the legal system and investigators.
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Post by Swimmy on Apr 14, 2008 13:50:21 GMT -5
That was brave of the son to go on and post. It appears it snapped all the other readers in line. Too bad the disgrace isn't in the business of reporting facts.
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Post by thelma on Apr 14, 2008 15:06:36 GMT -5
According to the news reporting by the OD, this couple was walking home when an argument occurred and Mrs. Voce was in fear of her life due to the past 5 years of domestic abuse by her husband.
Mr. Voce was brought to the hospital by his "girlfriend". Mrs. Voce is being defended by the Public Defender's Office.
IMO - killing someone is NOT the answer. But, on the otherhand, unless you have walked in Mrs. Voce's shoes and experienced years of domestic abuse, no one has the right to sit in judgment on her. Remember the saying - "There for the Grace of God goes me". domestic abuse happens in many homes and is hidden by the victim out of shame.
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Post by Swimmy on Apr 14, 2008 15:11:29 GMT -5
You missed the PD's commentary. Apparently there is a history of domestic violence and this was either self-defense or a culmination of BWS.
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Post by thelma on Apr 14, 2008 15:43:23 GMT -5
No, Swimmy - I read all the remarks made by the Chief Public Defender. That is why I posted what I did. Thank God there were laws passed re. the Battered Woman'sw Syndrome which is a legitimate defense - if presented properly and there is a paper trail left that can back up these facts.
My heart goes out to her and I can only hope that some well known Defense Attorney might take this case on a ProBono basis like Brindisi did years ago and won an Acquital.
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Post by Swimmy on Apr 14, 2008 15:51:43 GMT -5
My apologies, Thelma. I misread your comment, after reading your reply and re-reading your other post, I realize I misunderstood your post. Sorry.
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Post by frankcor on Apr 14, 2008 22:19:09 GMT -5
Clipper, it takes a big man to admit he was wrong.
BTW, I think you conducted yourself very well on the OD forum when Los showed up -- couldn't see that coming eh?
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