As we all have stated, the statement made by the 20 year old female resident of Cornhill stating some people did not care about the fact that Officer Lindsay was killed, has prompted an Emergency Meeting by our Major to address her statement.
I hope something comes out of this meeting, but I have my doubts. Her statement is just a reflection of the thoughts of many just like her.
I do give our Mayor tons of credit for addressing this type of news reporting that should have been left unsaid to begin with. This is just another example of poor reporting by the "disgrace" newspaper.
Yep, you don't have to be a brain to realize this is the attitude of many in Cornhill. A Policeman gets shot and killed, another gets beat up while the people in Cornhill saw nothing or stood around not offering any assistance.
I am glad that a reporter put that in the paper. It brought it out in the open to be addressed and I'm sure it'll make many realize why Cornhill has the problems they do.
I can assure you this. If that happened in W.Utica ( and we're dealing with alot of the same problems ) the Police would get assistance from the good people that live there. It has happened on several occasions and I have witnessed and been involved in it.
Why the difference between the two parts of the city when the problems are the same. We, in W.Utica, are not looking to put the blame on anyone and are more then willing to assist the Police in helping to take our streets back from the scum. One has to be involved in their area. You can't leave it to someone else alone. You have to stop acting like kindergarters and start to work together even if you're not happy with the people you have to work beside.
There are alot of people I have worked beside including some Police Officers who I personally don't care two shits about, but am adult enough to put my personal feelings aside knowing together we can make a big difference. If we're fighting each other or not willing to work with each other then all is lost and the scum will prevail.
Cornhill has got to get off their God Almighty band stand, stop using whatever excuses they can mustard up and take credit for alot of their own problems. If they're not willing to work with the Police, THE ONLY ONES THAT CAN TRULY HELP THEM, then they are doomed and it's their own damn fault.
Last Edit: Apr 8, 2008 12:52:08 GMT -5 by bobbbiez
I agree with most of what you said, Bobbiez. Same applies to the people that live in North Utica - slum behavior is simply not "allowed" over here, and when it tries to pop his/her ugly head, it is quickly dealth with.
Remember the North Utican Correction on his way to work while driving his car in East Utica that spotted a Police Officer having a difficult time with someone he was trying to arrest? He stopped his car, got out and helped the Police Officer until the Officer had the matter under control. I believe he was given an Award by the City of Utica for his good deed.
You're right - UPD can only do so much and need all the help and inside information we can give them.
However, I still don't think this remark by Ms. Chambers should have been printed in the newspaper as all it did was inflame the decent people of Utica and Law Enforcement personnel. Most of us knew that these people that think the way Ms. Chambers does is the primary reason why Cornhill has turned into nothing more than a War Zone.
Did anyone catch the News Conference? I had to leave to pick up the girls at School so don't know if WKTV put it on or holding it until the 5PM News.
Thelma, I guess I want for all others to hear exactly how people and things really are and I'm sick of the kid-gloving the people in Cornhill are usually given. You would be surprised at just how many people truly don't know the real attitudes Cornhill gives our Policemen and hear only the side of and defend those people. Many still have their heads up their butts and only condemn the Police as I witnessed on the "OTHER" forum I USE to take part in. The way I look at it is get it all out no matter who it offense. They'll just have to get over it like they expect us to when they cram it down our throats most of the time. What is good for one is good for all.
Thelma, I lived in N.Utica from 1960 to 1977. Actually, when we were living there it was alot of farm land around us. The whole of N.Utica was beautiful including my neighborhood. As I drive there now to visit long life friends in different areas in N. Utica I have to be honest and say it also has gone down hill from when I lived there. Yes, it's a slower process but I can see the deterioration slowly creeping in. One of my girlfriends who lives in a classy neighborhood there has to put up with her neighbors not keeping up their homes, caring for their lawns, loud music, dogs barking continuously, and neighbor kids running through her property like it's their own. She has lived there before I moved there and she is so disgusted that people today just don't care about things as before and have no consideration what so ever for their neighbors.
Any disease grows slowly and that is what is taking place in all of Utica. The only way I see it ever improving is that all have to get "together" and work on the problems together no matter where the problems are. Those who live in South, North or the still good parts of East Utica should be at meetings and etc., offering whatever assistance needed to those in the target areas. They can't just stay in their homes and read about the problems like it doesn't affect them because mark my words all will follow to their areas eventually.
Enough is enough. We have to work as one unit if Utica is ever going to improve.
Post by Disgusted-Daily on Apr 9, 2008 0:14:18 GMT -5
I also find the statement by Councilman Bill Phillips to be disturbing. It almost seems like he was condoning or justifying their action and feelings toward Police Officers. Did anybody else get the same feeling from the news video?
Before I really go off I'll wait to hear more comments.
Bill is out of the loop, can't blame the PD for the actions of the residents.
But by the same token, it doesn't mean I want to run down and pat Al on the back either. The two of them ha\ve been p[poking at each other since day one.
The only way to find a compromise here would be to shift the focus of patrolling over to Community Policing style. Not an office filled with a few Officers and call it Community Policing, but to implement a true Community Policing format as specified by DOJ.
But there remains the attitude of the residents in Cornhill. They don't like it, they can move to NYC far as I am concerned. The UPD can flex all the muscle it wants, good for them. You can't clean up that crap that is infesting us with a small broom......use a friggin' bulldozer if you have to!
I saw what Bill Phillips had to say when it was shown on WKTV news. He wants more Foot Patrols by the UPD done in Cornhill which would allow them more access to knowing exactly what is going on in some of these "hot spots" and also to talk to the residents of Cornhill (the good ones as well as the bad ones) He said this would also help bridge some of the misunderstandings that are currently in place between UPD and "the hood" of Cornhill.
In a way, I can understand what he is saying -BUT- how could a lone, on foot, UPD Officer be fully protected as they are now with a partner and camera in a police car? Would we have to turn these foot patrolmen into a group of 4 Officers walking together, armed with tasers and pistols, and 2 way radios, just to provide a shield of protection around them? This is a luxury that our City can't afford!!!!
WHY should we let these people that have no respect for law and order dictate to the UPD what they want and what they don't want? ALL parts of the City would like to have an Officer walking the beat protecting their neighborhoods and crime occcurs in ALL sections of our City.
IMO - the safety of our brave Officers should be the #1 priority - NOT what "the hood" wants!!! If you don't want to get harassed by the UPD, then don't commit any crimes - very simple.
foot patrols are not the answer they would only put more officers at higher risk..the city the state and the nation have got to realize that 2% of 26% of the population is commiting 90% of the crime..people dont wnat to hear it but it is more than poverty and social ills it is a cultural thing...more of these hoodlums need to be escorted out of the hood in body bags to send a clear message we are taking our city back...people talk about parental responsibilty and teaching kids right from wrong but how dod you do that when mommies a crack head and daddies in prison himself and gramma who did such a shining job with her owns kids is raising you but she enjoys the money you bring in to the house for her 50 inch tv from drug profits..i have seen it all and have seen 3 genrations of folks in prison or on parole at the same time...
"I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people, and I require the same from them." I am not a violent man , I am just very good at it.
Corner - I absolutely agree with you that the only language these hoodlums understand is that the UPD is smarter, and tougher than they are. BUT - as one Policeman told me once "New York is a great State to live in if you are a criminal" (because of all the laws that protect them!!!!)
I'm sure that there are many Officers that would love to use physical force on some of these punks, especially the ones that insult them, but have to restrain themselves in order not to get sued or have a complaint filed against them ending up in them being fired from the UPD.
There are enough Drug Houses in Cornhill and W, Utica for the cops to make DAILY drug busts and ship them all off to OCJ. That would be a start in showing these punks that we want our neighborhoods back.
The only fear is that this was what Officer Lindsay was doing and it ended up in him being assinated by a cowardly piece of garbage.
It's a shame that the city has to localize the majority of its police force into the cornhill area(zone 57) just to attempt to prevent black on black crime. The population of Uticans who really care about this city must take this city back from these thugs and find ways to drive them out of town. All we hear is talk talk and more talk about building bridges between the black community and the UPD. Doesn't anyone get it; IT IS NOT WORKING AND NEVER HAS WORKED.
Let's stop all this huggy huggy talk and start some action. If you want to live a life as a criminal and get your jollies out of destroying property and lives then we don't want you in this city.
That womans remarks are dangerous and subversive words. Something must be done to correct this attitude. By her statement I guess she is also saying that her kind wants to be allowed to do whatever they want because this way they are respected. What a low life.
Let's start another basketball game between to UPD and the blacks. LOL
This is all the work of rap music (gansta thugs) and liberals (those people in Utica who want to treat the gansta thugs with kid gloves).
I think the OD should print all opinions, including those of the idiot 20 year old. I don't have a problem with that.
What I have a problem with is over the top efforts to try to "soothe the savage beast". There is no reasoning with scumbags. You can talk yourself blue in the face. It isn't going to matter. They don't have the brain capacity to understand, and they don't care about anyone but themselves.
I think it would be wonderful to have a "racially diverse" police department. Aren't all qualified individuals welcome to apply? Do any qualified "other than white people" apply to the UPD? Again, whether there are 12 black Utica police officers or zero, will it make a difference in Zone 57? No, probably not. Said black officers would probably only be accused of "selling out".
I agree with you, Denise. The black people that have made something constructive out of their lives and have worked hard to achieve success, are called "selling out" to the White Race INSTEAD of being look up to as an example for others to follow.
These animals only life for today - the hell with tomorrow and going to Jail is a Badge of Honor for them. They deal in illegal drug sales to make a quick buck rather than pursue schooling to get an education where they can support themselves and a family the legal way.
There is too much of a difference between the culture of these blacks that pride themselves being in the "hood" and the white race that obeys societys' rules. Things are just getting worst and worst - not better, between the two races which can be blamed on years of liberal "free" programs the blacks now expect and feel "entitled" to receive.
There will never be any bridge that can be mended between the two due to the wide gap between the lifestyles of the two races.