Molina guilty!!!!!!!!!!!

[frankcor]

swimmy said:

Even my mother, who is always the first to place the blame on me, agreed that there was nothing that was easily construeable (I just coined that) as a personal attack.

I see you went to the ultimate authority. Well, heck, that's a mom's job.

[Swimmy]

hehe, yeah. She heard me fuming when I read the e-mail and wanted to see what I got myself into.

[Clipper]

;)Swimmy, don't feel that being young and hot tempered and full of pride is a negative thing. You sure don't have to feel alone either. I just reread this post in a preview, and I am sorry it turned into a book. haha

I cannot be included among the mature and even tempered members on here. I, as recently as a week or two ago, went back on there and got into it with my favorite people to dislike.

It is strictly my own opinion, and I am sure that they still have friends on this forum, but I find that many of their posts are ill conceived and troublesome. They conceive a post to incite an argument with others or to fuel an ongoing argument.

Playing the devil's advocate is what they call it. One of them at least is a highly intelligent and well read. It is sad that they have to use the forum to feed some strange need to argue and belittle others. GMO and others that we have read posts from, on that forum, are all in one category. Argumentative pains in the ass.

I find, swimmy, that the OD forum has fallen to a point that the threads are kept going by non productive arguing, and two or three people keeping the threads moving along by feeding the fire, and playing into each others posts to use the forum like a board game. Threads that are born out of intelligent discussion, simply lose their value as informative points of discussion, and fall into the category of battles of wits between the few that simply love to argue instead of discuss.

I go there to read what you and Frank and a couple of others post. I go there to see what topics are up for discussion. I continue to make the mistake of posting there, but when the irritainers that don't like me start criticizing my post, I have been drawn into the fray, and have a hot french canadian temper.

I guess I am learning slowly but surely to stay off of there for the most part, and I have learned to simply quit posting when they begin to post on a subject. You need to treat your posts in the same manner. You make intelligent, well informed, and documented posts. If they are turned inside out, and played into with no motive other than to incite anger, all you need to do is to make them look like a dumbass and refuse to play. Make your point and tell the rest of the forum, that the thread has digressed into childish bullshit, and that you will no longer be posting to it.

There are always going to be egotistical bastards out there, that have to be the center of attention, and have to stroke their own egos. I think that they enjoy reading their own posts much more that the rest of us enjoy reading them.

When you run up against some asshole like GMO, all you can do is concede the fact that he is involved in a battle of brains, and he has come unarmed. State the fact that you don't argue with people who don't come armed with fact, and move on, leaving him to argue with himself.

The secret to success in your case would be to insist that the irritating party, document their facts, as you do. Insist that they reference material that confirms their opinion or stand on the issue. Most that are in the arena strictly to stir shit, aren't going to take the time, and most that are in that role as irritating pains in the ass, aren't intelligent enough to stand up to the fire.

In the mean time, don't place me in the category of those that are seasoned and able to handle themselves on the forums. YOU are much more educated, and intelligent, and capable of quelling an argument, instead of becoming part of it.

I am much less inclined to argue than I used to be, but it is you and frank and dave and others that bring sensible discussion to this forum, and I thank you all for your participation, and for bringing topics of interest over here from news outlets.

Since the original fray with the two that are no longer with us, I am quite wary of making any admin decisions. I have no desire to further damage the forum, or to drive anyone away. I was extremely worried when the other incident caused such a stir, when I was merely making a judgement call. It seriously wounded my confidence to make judgement calls on this forum, and has made me wary of posting many opinions on matters of interest. If you haven't noticed, I simply stay away from matters that could cause a rift in our membership. I will not make a post that could be taken as inflammatory.

You are a pillar of OUR community swimmy. Don't let that bastards get you down. You are young, highly intelligent, and very much loved here on this board. Just be aware if you want to play over there, you have to be ready to put on your flak jacket and get down and dirty with the pains in the ass. Eventually, maybe this board will grow to a size that there are more informed people like the members we have now, and it will bring a broader spectrum of opinion and points of discussion. In the mean time, Swimmy, I love the folks that are on here now, and I am at peace with the manners, respect, and consideration that seems to dwell here naturally. Have a good day my friend, and don't let the bastards beat ya down.

[frankcor]

Don't sell yourself short, Clipper. You got plenty of hutzpah.

You'll notice once I identify an internet troll, I usually do one of two things:

1. attempt to draw them into a violation of the TOS and get themselves banned
2. walk away and avoid feeding the troll

Either way, they end up disappearing.

[Disgusted-Daily]

Although I would agree. This sometimes is allot harder to do, than to say you’re going to do. I by no means can lead by example. I have had my share of run-ins. Some turned out good, some bad. I think I have gotten better after leaving the dieing forum and coming here. Curiosity does pull me over some times.

Like Clipper stated, it is hard to not be in that state of mind when that really is the mentality of the dieing forum. The moderators and posters feed off the negativity that surrounds them to others to keep the post going.

[frankcor]

Don't get me wrong, I can be as nasty as they come. But hoisting a troll upon his own petard can be quite satisfying.

BTW, I have to wonder about the sanity of a moderator who starts an abortion topic on a forum for which he is responsible. sheesh

[Disgusted-Daily]

NO MERCY!

[Clipper]

I could not believe that one myself Frank. I guess you would have to remember the long and ongoing thread that made for a lot of hard feelings and anger on many fronts.

Ladybug kept that one going forever and ever. If I remember correctly, jduges and others fueled that discussion also, just to keep it going. It had long since addressed everyone's personal opinion, and no longer served a useful purpose, and just kept going on and on and on and on............

There are some subjects that I don't care to see come here, but if they do, I am confident that they will be discussed in the same civil manner that all the other subjects have been to this point. I have been amazed with how little intervention has been neccessary, between members, to keep things civil and on track. Moderation for the, most part, has been a self-discipline that has negated any need for moderators to step in. I like that!!!!

I have known many of you for quite a while from the other forum. From the onset of my joining the forums, and posting, I was quite nasty and one sided in addressing folks on the other forum. Todd, above all can attest to that fact.

I simply learned over time, that my opinions on racial issues, and politics can be discussed without anger, and indignation. Not everyone agrees with my viewpoints, but I learned that angry arguing did nothing but kill any useful discussion on a thread and turn it into the personal attacks that we see now. I am ashamed to have been one of the ones to subscribe to those tactics.

I learned from experiences with Todd, Tommi, and Sfccummings. All three of those whom I had conflict with, have turned out to be good people and good friends, when I laid down my narrow minded opinion and played nice. When I look back, I am both ashamed and embarrassed, to think I was like that. Especially now, reading other's posts that are just like what I used to post. haha. Nothing was learned by ANYONE when I turned a thread into an argument and attack on someone.

[dgriffin]

Swimmy, I didn't mean to lecture. You've always impressed me as a level headed, intelligent man. For myself, I don't like to cast what few pearls I have before swine. Did I hear correctly that the OD might be ending or curtailing the forums? Not hard to imagine why, if true.

[dgriffin]

>Since the original fray with the two that are no longer with us, I am quite wary of making any >admin decisions.

Clipper, you handled yourself very well. You acted in a courteous manner to the two, reached out to them, tried to accommodate them and did an excellent job, whether intended or not, of letting them show everyone they were interested only in combat, not discussion.

[thelma]

I wonder who "Los" is picking on now that he doesn't have me to harass anymore - LOL.

Dave - I agree with you that the best way to handle a "troll" or someone who just wants to cause conflect on the Board is to just ignore them. Have you ever tried to argue with someone who won't talk to you? Very furstrating!!!!!!

[boomer]

Hi Thelma!!

I am glad it seems everyone came away from the trial more or less agreeing, although I think I'm glad a few here aren't in charge of the jail LOL! We might have a few right broken but a whole lot less criminals to pay for!
Hey I must've misssed what happened: Did someone get banned for what? I think that this is one of 2 or 3 of the ONLY civil boards around here.
And haha shame on you guys you got me so curious to see what the hullabaloo was about I went and looked at the OD boards for the first time in like SIX MONTHS! I don't miss it at all. Someone fill me in i guess the "god stuff" was deleted?

But I have to say you are all (since) the OD boards a very good blogger crowd on the whole.
Which makes me ask: If you could only go see 3 LOCAL websites for forums and chat which would these be? I'll reserve my choices while I await yours. Just curious!

PS what happened with "LOS JABAROS" I thought he was here too?

[Disgusted-Daily]

Hey boomer,

First all let me be the first to welcome you aboard. You are literally asking for months of info. But to shorten it up. Some of what is discussed here happened on the other forum. Needless to say our poster (should I say from our team) took the victory in the end. ;D

Seems funny now that I think about it. We are like the home team and they are the away team. Hey, we should come up with team names so we don't have to refer to the other forum as the "Disgrace or Dying" forum.

Anyhow the post in question were deleted because he was rude, obnoxious, threatening etc etc. Along with breaking the forum's rules. Hopefully he will not break through our borders and spew his nonsense here.

As far as the 3-websites that you are looking for. My choices are as follows;

1) Clipper's "Busy Corner"
2) Clipper's "Busy Corner"
3) Clipper's "Busy Corner"

Hope that helps you out.

"LOS JABAROS" is like a really bad swearing word that is only mentioned when one is trying to release a really hard bowel movement haha. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Again Welcome aboard and hope you have as much fun as we are.

[Ralph]

Well I think it went quite well Clipper, you were fine in your explanations. Having been down the road before, there comes a time when you just have to hit that button and keep on going.

I have done it before and will no doubt have to do it again somewhere down the road. You have to be able to separate what you do on the board as a member, from what you have to do as an Admin.
You need to respect everyones opinions, but also have to know when the line has been crossed and that it's time to pull the reins in. If you don't get cooperation or the desired result from the offending party, you simply weigh the good with the bad.
With irritainers the scale will always tip to the Admins favor, sometimes it's harder than that. That is why it can't be done alone.

Everyone works together for the benefit of all, no matter what their position on the board is.

[Swimmy]

Thanks guys for the support. It is nice to know I'm appreciated somewhere.

Boomer,
Todd summed up the situation quite well. The most recent shenanigans involve an idiot going by the name of gmo at the disgrace forums. gmo decided to accuse a judge of jury tampering without any evidence. When I asked gmo for proof, gmo instead chose to begin personally attacking me. I continued to try and debate with gmo until gmo posted a rather offensive post. I retaliated, and was threatened to have my account deleted. So I brought in fran, the disgrace's admin who deleted gmo's offending posts and apologized for the stand-off approach chinelo took toward me for no reason. Since, gmo has disappeared.

As for los, he threw a temper-tantrum when one of his posts was deleted. Instead of just saying his piece and moving on, he recruited another person who both then tried to shatter this board and draw negative attitudes from others on the disgrace forums. He subsequently was banned from this site. Some find it unfortunate, others are glad. Either way the board has not grown much since he and jduges outstayed their welcome.

Speaking of the disgrace forums, can anybody else access them? Or are the "moderators" finally doing what corner forewarned about?