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Post by denise on Apr 22, 2011 8:33:04 GMT -5
I was in Cape Vincent yesterday. Yup, the wind mills are ugly and ruin an otherwise beautiful waterfront view, in my opinion. To be fair, I'd say the same thing about electrical transformers. Next year I will be living on Lake Ontario. Worked hard for it & a lot of money will go into this project before we're done. I love our view just the way that it is. Attachments:
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Post by JGRobinson on Apr 22, 2011 11:51:18 GMT -5
Its Beautiful Denise. I wouldn't change it for the world, unfortunately the world will change whatever it chooses whenever it chooses to instead of enacting a logical NRG plan. In 20 years, no President has ever passed a comprehensive strategy to ensure safe, abundant, clean power for the coming ages.
We have only done for NRG Production the same types of things we have done for Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare and Public Pensions; patch, short term shortfalls being corrected with long-term debt, increase taxes and fees and decrease Earnings and benefits.
Our power production is nearing peak and our population continues to grow daily. If you don't remember the California rolling blackouts, you might get a reminder of them some day soon.
I say again, what will we do short of shutting down sections of the grid?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2011 14:07:14 GMT -5
Doesn't the flag pole upset the view?
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Post by JGRobinson on Apr 22, 2011 21:06:17 GMT -5
Shame on you Alan, the flag is fine, I'm not liking that road though!
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Post by bobbbiez on Apr 22, 2011 22:40:04 GMT -5
 Just beautiful Denise! Have to be completely honest. I too would be very, very upset if I had to look at a wind farm taking away that gorgeous view. 
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Post by firstamendment on Apr 23, 2011 7:55:34 GMT -5
Well, BZ, being that you are soon to be in Marcy, would you rather see wind turbines or large power lines and towers trapsing across the countryside?
Perhaps it is just me since I enjoy and have always been fascinated with mechanics that I appreciate and am in awe seeing the turbines. The complexity and magnitude of them enthrawls me. Yes, I do enjoy a beautiful view of the countryside as well so to me seeing the moderness of the turbines along with the country sprawl is a plus plus to me. Unlike powerlines and nuclear reactors, you can actually see the turbines in action, doing what they are supposed to do. They aren't just an inate part of the landscape.
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Post by denise on Apr 23, 2011 10:25:30 GMT -5
lol. The turbines seriously give me vertigo. Didn't realize it until a bunch of them were erected along Rt 177 and took a drive to get a good look at them. What a bizarre feeling that is!
It's been a big argument for a few years now up around our lake communities, which I think is currently stalled. Don't know the exact reason; think it's something to do with not having a clear path for power to get from Point A to Point B. Or something like that.
I guess when you think about it, we all do make a big deal on both sides of the argument. Makes you wonder what our Amish neighbors think!
Love the site of our future home! Who could think a flag pole is an obstruction? That's a rather odd statement. I felt very proud sending my brand new American flag up that flag pole a few weeks ago. Road separating the house site from our lake access doesn't bother me either. We were hoping for land the lake side of the road, but that's hard to come by & it is limiting as to how big of a house you can build. If you stand in the road with your back to the lake, our property goes back 700 feet. We have about 3 acres.
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Post by urbanhermit on Apr 23, 2011 10:38:09 GMT -5
I was in Cape Vincent yesterday. Yup, the wind mills are ugly and ruin an otherwise beautiful waterfront view, in my opinion. To be fair, I'd say the same thing about electrical transformers. Next year I will be living on Lake Ontario. Worked hard for it & a lot of money will go into this project before we're done. I love our view just the way that it is. That will be a beautiful spot to live Spring-Fall. Will you be spending Winter's there too? Imagine the Lake-Effect snow? Good God, what a Winter it was!  |
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Post by Clipper on Apr 23, 2011 12:07:50 GMT -5
Congrats on the land purchase Denise. Beautiful location for sure. I am of the opinion that power generation is a matter of choices. Not all are safe and clean, and all DO have their individual drawbacks. Wind and hydro are certainly much more desireable and clean and safe than coal or or nuclear. If the midwest were to convert to wind, we might even see trout living happily ever after in the lakes of the Adirondacks again. Anyone that thinks windmills are ugly, should drive by a coal fired power plant and see the ugly piles of coal, and the ash ponds that can break and release tons of toxic sludge, such as the one SW of here, owned by TVA. Nuclear may be clean, but I would be nervous if I lived next door to, or downwind from, a nuke plant. Ours are safer than most, but melt downs are a reality, and not completely controllable in ANY country. Transmission lines are an ugly reality, and any form of power generation is going to require transmission lines to get the power from point of origin to the user. The choices seem to be evident to me. We either live with the dirty and dangerous, the ugly but safe, or we simply learn to live with less power and fewer electrical conveniences. Give me the windmills any day. Put one in my backyard if you like, as long as I can tap into it. If dead birds become a major problem, I will simply put the bagger onto the tractor when I mow, hahaha.  |
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Post by bobbbiez on Apr 23, 2011 12:59:52 GMT -5
Well, BZ, being that you are soon to be in Marcy, would you rather see wind turbines or large power lines and towers trapsing across the countryside? Perhaps it is just me since I enjoy and have always been fascinated with mechanics that I appreciate and am in awe seeing the turbines. The complexity and magnitude of them enthrawls me. Yes, I do enjoy a beautiful view of the countryside as well so to me seeing the moderness of the turbines along with the country sprawl is a plus plus to me. Unlike powerlines and nuclear reactors, you can actually see the turbines in action, doing what they are supposed to do. They aren't just an inate part of the landscape. Actually I would rather see the power lines. For whatever ones reasons of wanting the turbines or not they surely do take away from the beauty of nature. When I lived in Constable, which is a very beautiful area, it was hard to find one person who was fighting for the turbines. There is a huge battle going on there against them. Wouldn't want them in my backyard because I did buy my home because of the location and the view.  |
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Post by Clipper on Apr 23, 2011 13:26:51 GMT -5
Not whether you like wind turbines or not that is the question. It is whether you would rather look at a windmill or a coal burning plant spewing carcinogens, acids and other pollutants into the air. Would ya rather pick up a couple of dead birds or wash coal dust off your car windshield daily?
Constable people would certainly be up in arms if they proposed a nuke plant or coal plant in town. It's a case of NIMBY as usual. Nobody wants the generating facilities of any kind in their back yard, but EVERYONE wants the power. Like I said. Gimme a windmill and let me simply plug into it. No rental payments necessary to me. Just eliminate my monthly power bills.
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Post by bobbbiez on Apr 23, 2011 13:34:52 GMT -5
Oh hell, we will always have bills to pay and if not this we'll be bi*ching about the cost of something else. I do feel in some areas we have to preserve what the good Lord gave us and this is one. ;D
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Post by Clipper on Apr 23, 2011 13:41:43 GMT -5
Well, one more time. Do you want windmills, power plants or no power? That is the choices, not whether we have a good view or not. Any of the choices with the exception of "no power" are a scar on the environment's asthetics. Believe me BZ, I am on YOUR side in all reality. I am a great opponent to Mountain Top Removal mining methods here in the Appalachian Mountain and the SE. The scars are much more ugly and objectionable than a windmill and it is all about mining coal to power the generating plants to keep the lights on in big cities. Cities that don't have to look at the flattened mountains and the brush that grows after the "restoration" is ignored by both the companies and the government.
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Post by JGRobinson on Apr 23, 2011 16:07:14 GMT -5
I was jiust kidding about the road Denise. I just went to Holland Patent and picked up the generator for my new windmill, craigslist. Its a 1950's perm magnet one that must weigh 150 LBS. $40.00, and a new one of anywhere near the size and efficiency would be $1000 or more. Already started rebuilding it, she's going to be a sweaty! Lots of work before that day comes!
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Post by Clipper on Apr 23, 2011 16:13:07 GMT -5
JR, there is a fellow outside of Holland Patent, actually closer to Steuben Corners that has a wind turbine in his yard. He lives in log home or cedar sided house, I can't remember which, but he has had a wind turbine since long before they became a popular option. It must pay him a dividend because he has had that windmill turning since the early ninties.
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Just beautiful Denise! Have to be completely honest. I too would be very, very upset if I had to look at a wind farm taking away that gorgeous view. 
