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Post by Swimmy on Apr 13, 2010 13:19:20 GMT -5
Police: Teen lied about rape to get revengeWay to go and further foster support for the notion that it's only rape when she changes her mind after the fact. This is so disgusting I can't even write about it. The poor alleged rapist. He will forever be cast in doubt as a true rapist. This is why filing false reports should be considered class A felonies, the harm they do is irreparable!
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Post by bobbbiez on Apr 13, 2010 17:48:35 GMT -5
 I agree with you completely, Swimmy. Too many people's lives have been ruined after false accusations even if their name is clear later. There should be harsher punishment for those making those false statements. Long over due. 
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Post by Ralph on Apr 14, 2010 1:13:39 GMT -5
File a false report and someone gets charged with a felony and in the process gets their name and reputation trashed, probably for life. However you recant and get charged with a couple misdemeanors? Something really wrong with that picture for sure!  |
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Post by Swimmy on Apr 14, 2010 7:03:01 GMT -5
Not only that, but rape victims should vigilantly persecute this bitch into oblivion! Being raped is a horrible experience, not something you would even wish on your most worst enemies. To fake reports of one for revenge is just so damn insulting to the millions of rape victims. This stupid girl should be forced to sit in the center of a very large circle and have every rape victim we can find share their experiences, one by one, with this bitch. Then, all the falsely accused should share their life stories of the nightmares that haunt them. I know a couple people who were falsely accused of rape. Even though dna proved them completely innocent, those accusations follow them wherever they go, quite literally. Their accusers go on living happy lives, but the exonerated have spent a lifetime being harassed and haunted by the false allegations. Accusations of rape are one set of accusations that a falsely accused never lives down.
I hope the OD rakes this bitch over the coals with how horrible her stupidity really is. At 17, the bitch really should know better!
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Post by fiona on Apr 15, 2010 0:03:40 GMT -5
OK. Let's look at this logically. I would like to make some points that some posters may not be entirely comfortable with, however: I worked as a rape crisis counselor and these are my feelings about the situation: 1. I agree that being falsley accused is terribly wrong, but, and as you well know, Swimmy: It happens and has happened since time immemorial and will continue to happen. 2. I read the little blurb in the OD. I don't think it said much. What is the backstory here? As we know, there is always more to any situation than first meets the eye. That is why attorneys as well as social workers engage in the process of discovery. To bring out the facts in non emotional, non reactive way, in a way that says : this is a fact, not an emotion. 3. Women. young and old have always " cried rape." Some men too, but perhaps not as many (that we know of) 4.Women, old young or other wise are not "bitches" and I take offense with anyone who thinks we are or who thinks, for what ever reason that he or she has the right to engage in stero typical gender based name calling. Name calling, as well as other muck raking, is a no no. 5. Teenage girls, like all teenagers, have undeveloped brains and are prone to gross miscalculation. Adults may also have undeveloped brains also and are prone to miscalculation. With this is mind, we need to know the whole back story, before we can pass judgement on this girl, or on the rapee ( supposed) or the rapist ( alleged). And the little bit I read certaintly does not give me that information. Swimmy, your comment " at 17 the bitch should really know better" Do you really think that the vast majority of 17 year old's are given over to logical reasoning, and can think abstractly and rationally about the future? I don't. I am not saying what the girl did is right, but " to have rape victims persecute this bitch into oblivion"?  I think rape victims, both men and women, are stronger and smarter than that, and personally have better things to do with their time. In my counseling sessions I quickly found out one thing: One inviable fact: that 99% of those I spoke with had ' forgiving hearts". Irregardless. Despite the massive odds against them. I appluaud those types of "bitches", those wounded warriors, because they have earned their stripes, and they are well deserved. |
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Post by corner on Apr 15, 2010 6:24:37 GMT -5
i hate to tell you how man rape victims dated and married their attaackers or started a relationship with the perps while they were in prison...false accusations must be persued and prosecuted to the fullest ... i garmered freedom for a man who did 15 years for a rape he did not commit to make a very long stroy short the vicitm id'd him as her attacker as he used to jog through her neighborhood in reality her rapists was her father and several of his friends...the guy got convicted on public outcry and the outrage of her father who was the real perp...after being allowed to talk to her 15 years after the fact thegirl now women wrote me a letter outlining her abuse and the fact she lied about who was hurting her this and doing a thourough investigation of the evidence allowed me to convince a panel of parole board memebers to relase this man.. i gave him the file i delveloped so he could take the info to court and secure a reversal of his conviction>
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Post by Swimmy on Apr 15, 2010 7:33:13 GMT -5
OK. Let's look at this logically. I would like to make some points that some posters may not be entirely comfortable with, however: I worked as a rape crisis counselor and these are my feelings about the situation: 1. I agree that being falsley accused is terribly wrong, but, and as you well know, Swimmy: It happens and has happened since time immemorial and will continue to happen. That is an illogical attempt to justify false allegations being made. Just because lying has occurred since the dawn of humans and will continue to do so does not under any circumstances justify their existence, just proves how despicable the human race can be to itself. 2. I read the little blurb in the OD. I don't think it said much. What is the backstory here? As we know, there is always more to any situation than first meets the eye. That is why attorneys as well as social workers engage in the process of discovery. To bring out the facts in non emotional, non reactive way, in a way that says : this is a fact, not an emotion. And the fact still remains that a person was falsely accused of raping her because she wanted revenge. Why would you need to know an entire back story other than to try and understand or justify her need to exact revenge by falsely crying rape? Sometimes there is no larger untold back story. I have a criminal case right now. My client confessed to police that she committed the crime. Maybe there is a back story as to why she got involved with drugs, but for purposes of proving whether she committed the crime, it is irrelevant. It will be useful for sentencing to try and reduce any sentence, or secure appropriate treatment for her while serving her sentence. 3. Women. young and old have always " cried rape." Some men too, but perhaps not as many (that we know of) Again, an illogical attempt to justify making false allegations of rape. 4.Women, old young or other wise are not "bitches" and I take offense with anyone who thinks we are or who thinks, for what ever reason that he or she has the right to engage in stero typical gender based name calling. Name calling, as well as other muck raking, is a no no. You need to take a step back for a second and not take a statement I made directed toward this 17 year old as one directed toward you. At no time did I even imply indirectly that all women are bitches. There are several words that could have been used, much more gender based and offensive. That one seemed to fit the description of my opinion best. But it is illogical to take my very narrowly directed comment and transpose it into some overly generalized conclusion to mean I'm referring to all women. 5. Teenage girls, like all teenagers, have undeveloped brains and are prone to gross miscalculation. Adults may also have undeveloped brains also and are prone to miscalculation. With this is mind, we need to know the whole back story, before we can pass judgement on this girl, or on the rapee ( supposed) or the rapist ( alleged). And the little bit I read certaintly does not give me that information. Swimmy, your comment " at 17 the bitch should really know better" Do you really think that the vast majority of 17 year old's are given over to logical reasoning, and can think abstractly and rationally about the future? I don't. I don't know. I learned that lying was bad at an early age. I learned right from wrong at about the same time. I also learned that there are consequences to my actions. Regardless the actual age I learned those life lessons, it was at least a decade before I turned 17. Did that stop me from doing stupid things like fill up a super soaker water gun and fire it out of my friend's car on a hot summer day? No. But then again, it was not ruining anyone's reputation. Would I have made false allegations of rape? NO! I am not saying what the girl did is right, but " to have rape victims persecute this bitch into oblivion"? I think rape victims, both men and women, are stronger and smarter than that, and personally have better things to do with their time. In my counseling sessions I quickly found out one thing: One inviable fact: that 99% of those I spoke with had ' forgiving hearts". But how many would appreciate someone falsely crying rape after their horrific experiences? You know mine, now. But I doubt you can speak for all of your clients' opinions on that question. I know a few rape victims through my work in family law. Not all are as forgiving as your clients. And in a couple cases, they grow irate at people falsely crying rape, for whatever reason. I know one particular rape victim whose friend cried rape to explain her pregnancy. This particular victim beat the crap out of her "friend" when it was learned that her "friend" was never raped, let alone the night she got pregnant. And when this victim runs into her former "friend" it stirs strong emotions of hate and anger as recalls the horrors she faced, and still faces to a degree today, in trying to rationalize why this "friend" - who knew this victim was raped - would lie about such a thing. In fact, it was this rape victim who referred first to the 17 year old as a bitch for what she did. So, if you want to take offense at me, you'll have to take offense at this rape victim and many others like her, who I happen to know. Irregardless. Despite the massive odds against them. I appluaud those types of "bitches", those wounded warriors, because they have earned their stripes, and they are well deserved. There you go with your overly personalized and generalized conclusion. I take offense to your immediate conclusion that I'm referring to all women as bitches. You really need to take a step back and truly approach it from a point of logic. I too applaud any rape victim for the strength and endurance they have to continue to survive and retake control of their lives after such horrible experiences. As you said, they have earned their stripes. |
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Post by dgriffin on Apr 15, 2010 8:59:23 GMT -5
I think if I were putting together an A-Team to investigate the case mentioned in the OD, I'd choose Fiona's experience and outlook, Swimmy's ability to argue logically, and Corner's zeal to see that justice is served.
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Post by Clipper on Apr 15, 2010 9:10:53 GMT -5
Wow. I think you touched a seriously feminist nerve there Swimmy. I saw no generalized stereotyping Fiona. The girl is a little bitch, plain and simple. Just her. Not all women in general. Actually, this girl is being elevated by calling her a bitch. She is much lower on the food chain than simply calling her a bitch can describe.
There has come to be a trend toward this sort of thing. Women, or young girls in particular, have been armed with this very effective tool, that is all too often used for disgusting personal reasons.
School teachers have had entire careers and lives ruined by girls that received bad grades or had a disagreement with a male teacher. All they have to do is insinuate that the teacher acted improperly in a sexual manner, and the teacher is suspended or fired, his personal life is ruined, and he is forever marked. Quite possibly because some spoiled little misguided BITCH took aim at him in a vengeful manner.
Unfortunately, girls or women who use the law to falsely accuse, harm those that are REALLY raped or molested. It brings an air of exaggerated caution or suspicion as to whether the charges are real or not, whenever a girl cries rape or assault.
Sorry Fiona. Women that ARE raped or molested are truly traumatized, many times injured physically, and ALWAYS traumatized emotionally for the rest of their lives. Those that FALSELY accuse someone of that horrific crime, selfishly inflict trauma on the accused. For some misguided, vindictive reason, a woman can simply make the call, and a man is immediately picked up, booked, and is assumed guilty until proven innocent.
I am sure that you have a "pet name" for men whom you dislike, and 'bitch" is simply a descriptive term for the type of woman that does the despicable and disgusting. I refer to my ex as an adulterous, drunken bitch. I on the other hand refer to my Kathy as the most wonderful woman that God ever placed on this green earth, so I am hardly sexist.
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Post by corner on Apr 15, 2010 9:28:18 GMT -5
i have seen girls cry rape when their parents find out that they are having sex , i have seen them use their children as weapons or leverage to elicit money and favors i haveseen many a woman including family members getting pregnant to trap a guy there is truth in the old adage of a woman scorned...i had an ex wife who before we dated claimed her xhusband beat her and threw her down the cellar stairs come to find out in later years from her son that she threw herself down the stairs and called the sheriff with false claims about the incident because she didnt want her son to go on a scheduled visitation...this is not to take away from those women who are truly brutalized but the false claims outweigh the real ones by 3 to 1 and thus cast aspersions on all claims....some women learn at an early age that they are sitting on a million bucks!
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Post by fiona on Apr 15, 2010 16:57:13 GMT -5
Thanks for allowing me to try to initiate a logical coherent discussion, based on fact, not emotions and supposition. Clipper, I too am sorry, for the fact that you failed to take my argument seriously and had to resort to simply labaling me a "feminist", there by lumping me into a group I am not associated with and never have been. An easy out for you. Of course, when you reply, you will say I am too sensitive, too this, too that. Yadda Yadda. I am an old pit bull social worker. I know the drill. These discussions, along with the name calling, put downs, and skewed emotional content are not for me. And I repeat: name calling, ie: bitches, faggots, coons, ect, what ever, may be descriptive, but it is also non productive stereo typing, cruel and un professional. There is never any justification for it. Dave, as ever, you are always the gentlemen, rational and kind, able to look deeply into a subject and see the potential for logical analysis. thank you. Clipper, I think you should know that I don't specifically have a feminist nerve, what I do have is a humanist nerve, I repeat that little girls are not bitches and I take umbrage with the fact that both you and Swimmy had to use the word over and over again to prove your point. Swimmy, as you are able todismiss my logical objections to your argument by picking them apart point by point, thereby exposing the tender underbelly of your own hubris, I wish you well and thank you for all your help and assistance, but, you are still wrong. Corner, you make some excellent points, well taken, about the social and societal expectations of women. Gentlemen, be well.
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Post by bobbbiez on Apr 15, 2010 19:29:19 GMT -5
I think if I were putting together an A-Team to investigate the case mentioned in the OD, I'd choose Fiona's experience and outlook, Swimmy's ability to argue logically, and Corner's zeal to see that justice is served. ................and I will be more then happy to see that the punishment is received (in a back- alley- way naturally with no eye-witnesses.) |
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Post by bobbbiez on Apr 15, 2010 20:07:33 GMT -5
Seriously, I do agree with Swimmy that there should be a stronger punishment for false accusations. Only because damage is done to the one who is accused and are truly innocent. Very hard to change people's minds against the accused when something like that hits the papers and then the accused is found to be innocent after that fact. I do strongly agree and stand with Fiona in the facts she presented. No need for the name calling in discussing a subject, especially when none of us really know what the real circumstances in this case is. I have to admit I have been guilty of doing that myself, but I also admit, I am wrong in labeling any girl or women a bitch. It is not necessary, makes me look like a no-mind and I will be the first to admit it. I also agree with Fiona that a 17 yr old is not an adult and very few think like one at that age. Remembering back when I was that age, I thought I knew everything, but boy did I screw up royally many, many times. So, who am I to point a finger at another 17 yr old and state she should have known better. Mentally every child developes differently so we can't really compare ourselves or one to the next. And even knowing right from wrong at that age doesn't always stop our kids from screwing up. I was brought up properly being taught right from wrong and so were my own children, but we all managed to screw up........and then we learned the hard way that there was a punishment for it. We would have a perfect world if every kid at 17 practiced just the good they were taught and didn't screw up, but we don't live in a fantasy world, and we know sh*t happens.
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Post by Swimmy on Apr 15, 2010 21:32:57 GMT -5
Swimmy, as you are able todismiss my logical objections to your argument by picking them apart point by point, thereby exposing the tender underbelly of your own hubris, I wish you well and thank you for all your help and assistance, but, you are still wrong. Hubris? hilarious! Not only was your post full of illogic, rather than address my very valid points, you pat yourself on the back and deem your position superior by declaring a true rape victim's position as hubris. Hilarious! Good bye and good luck to you. Hahahahaha! Always a dead give away you're WRONG! |
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Post by Swimmy on Apr 15, 2010 21:45:31 GMT -5
I do strongly agree and stand with Fiona in the facts she presented. No need for the name calling in discussing a subject, especially when none of us really know what the real circumstances in this case is. I have to admit I have been guilty of doing that myself, but I also admit, I am wrong in labeling any girl or women a bitch. It is not necessary, makes me look like a no-mind and I will be the first to admit it. She presented no facts, just anecdotal evidence, which is about as authoritative as citing to wikipedia in a doctoral thesis. I also agree with Fiona that a 17 yr old is not an adult and very few think like one at that age. Remembering back when I was that age, I thought I knew everything, but boy did I screw up royally many, many times. So, who am I to point a finger at another 17 yr old and state she should have known better. Mentally every child developes differently so we can't really compare ourselves or one to the next. That does not justify what was done! And even knowing right from wrong at that age doesn't always stop our kids from screwing up. I was brought up properly being taught right from wrong and so were my own children, but we all managed to screw up........and then we learned the hard way that there was a punishment for it. We would have a perfect world if every kid at 17 practiced just the good they were taught and didn't screw up, but we don't live in a fantasy world, and we know sh*t happens. And how many crimes for false allegations were you involved in? I did stupid things too. I admit that, but I also never committed a crime, even for revenge. I found the best revenge was to smile and say good morning, how are you, it's nice to see you. That achieves much more than committing any crime. :-) |
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I agree with you completely, Swimmy. Too many people's lives have been ruined after false accusations even if their name is clear later. There should be harsher punishment for those making those false statements. Long over due. 
I think rape victims, both men and women, are stronger and smarter than that, and personally have better things to do with their time. In my counseling sessions I quickly found out one thing: One inviable fact: that 99% of those I spoke with had ' forgiving hearts". Irregardless. Despite the massive odds against them. I appluaud those types of "bitches", those wounded warriors, because they have earned their stripes, and they are well deserved.
