Absolutely disgusting

[bobbbiez]

Kit, something really bothers me greatly. "We live with it. Because they're just words." Why does society accept this? Why do we ignore these things until these things get out of control? Swearing in public was never accepted as I was growing up so why is it accepted now. It is not a small matter anymore. It has gotten out of control.

I remember many times going places with my parents and siblings and when my Dad (a truck driver) heard someone swearing, he would approach the person or persons and say, "We have women and children present so would you please watch your mouths," and they did.
Honestly, I can't take my grandkids anywhere whether it be restaurants, for walks, parks, or sports events without hearing someone swearing and believe me when I say, I don't ignore it and do repeat to the offenders exactly what my Dad use to say.

Recently I had my 5 yr old grandson over and while cleaning I dropped something and said, "Oh shit!" My grandson came up to me and said, "Don't say bad words Grandma. Mommy and Daddy told me that it is very wrong and that I could find much nicer words to express my emotions." Needless to say, I was very embarrassed to have a 5 yr old reprimand me. I immediately apologized to my grandson and told him his parents were absolutely right.
Later I told my son and daughter-in-law what had happen and they told me, my grandson no matter where he is, tells everyone that when he hears them swearing.

Now, here we are in our homes teaching our children swearing is wrong, but yet we're allowing those in society to do it in front of these same children. It's a matter that should not be ignored, tolerated or accepted by anyone at any time. It's no wonder why society has changed so drastically but sadly we're allowing it. Then we sit here wondering what the hell happened to our once decent world.



ps: Will you still save the last dance for me? ;D

[bobbbiez]

Apr 17, 2010 7:25:04 GMT -5 Swimmy said:

It is a big difference, but I should also add that plenty of women are just as bad. The men at the bar may not have figured you were listening in on their conversations. I once sat in a booth behind a group of girls on a bacheloertte party in a "family" restaurant. Let me tell you, no different than your experiences bartending for drunk men.

Swimmy, on the lighter side got to tell you a little story. At one of the bars I worked at my women customers and I were so tired of hearing the men using the "F" word in every other word, so I came up with this idea. I started a "-uck jar." Every time "anyone" said the "F" word they had to give me a dime to put in the jar. Just the guys got pi**ed at my idea till I told them I would use the money for a party at the end of the year which satisfied them.
It got to be pretty funny cause as the guys would come in everyday and before they ordered their drinks, they would automatically give me $5.00 to put in the jar.

The surprising thing is even though they tried just out of respect to use the "F" word less I was able to give TWO parties at the end of the year.

[bobbbiez]

Oops, just realized I took us away, somewhat, from the original topic.

Sorry, but when the cats are away (Ralph & Clipper) the mice will play. ;D

I was doing so good recently and I will try to control myself in the future.

[chris]

Kit, something really bothers me greatly. "We live with it. Because they're just words." Why does society accept this?

Because they have given up their power. In todays world, if you try to stand up for what is right you could be endagering your life by speaking up. Society starts to except it as the norm. People show no respect for anyone else and things have excelerated. Now everyone lives in their own little bubbles.

It's not just the swearing...texting, cell phones......you name it.

[Ralph]

I don’t know…..emotions start to run wild in these little tête-à-têtes.

Swimmy is mad and “goes off” because he see’s this crap and what it does to folks.
Fiona (in my mind anyways) sort of misinterprets the rant and injects some hubris of her own into the situation……and we’re off!!!

By the time I come along everyone is trying to calm everyone else down without pissing anyone else off and raining on anyone else’s parade at the same time.

Bullshit.

Fact is is that it was wrong, end of story, "girl" needs to spend 90 days in the can to get a short glimpse of what life could have been like for the next 20 or so had this guy gotten the bad end of the stick.

It struck a cord with Fiona……sorry Fiona, but Social Work these days is different than it was back then. Now you need to wear Kevlar instead of holding the crying towel.
(Likewise bartending, you need to wear Kevlar instead of swinging the bar towel.)

But my hats off to you all…..Social Workers and Lawyers (and yes bartenders) all pick up the pieces at the end of the day and try to fit them back together again for the gain of their respective clients.
This does not make any of you experts on the human race, mere studies of different spectrum's of it. And it is not a nice species to study these days.

You really want to get down to where the rubber meets the road?
Climb down to the street level where Corner used to play.
These “sweet sixteen” lovelies will slice you and dice you in between hits on the crack pipe or when they have a few minutes downtime from the latest boyfriend (he’s busy cleaning his Tech-9 he just modified for full auto) and then claim that their mother did it, or they were deprived when they were little, abused, under fed, under loved, etc., etc, etc, ad nauseatum.

Heard the same sweet things about Desiree Case, who used to hook around my block relentlessly and throw rocks at my van whenever she saw me coming down the road.

POO! Always have to wait around to hear the “rest of the story”.

Swimmy is all about Justice, he got mad and went off…..period, but what he said and pointed out is true in that respect. Fiona took it personal and read too much into it…..period. The world has changed since then, but no better or worse than it was then either, or a couple hundred years ago…..just all depends on what corner you happened to be looking in…..or under what rock.

Just remember that all the folks in jail are innocent.
And all those loving parents granted visitation rights are tender and kind hearted too.

Only place you’ll find the goody-goody shit is at Disney Land.
And more likely than not, even Goofy is hittin’ off a blunt during his break time too.

[corner]

hey last year even disneyworld was haunted by a sexual predator that molested a 10yo boy in a mens room even the happeist place on earth has its moments..

[stoney]

No comment.

[bobbbiez]

Ok, am I missing something here? Who ever stated the girl shouldn't be punished if she did put in a false report?

Plus Ralph, I don't believe that you and Corner are the only ones who have witnessed this bullsh*t in this sick world today. Whether it be through life experiences or ones job we all pretty well know what takes place and the effects and scars these sickos leave on people.

Now, the question is what the hell are we going to do about it and I do mean legally.

[kit]

Chris is obviously on the same page as I am, and Bobbbiez is right there, too. These girls know the score. Just listen to the stories. Very sensible and touching and real. And yes, our children are in a mess and have no idea why. This degradation has been going on for years thanks to politics.

Here's the problem... we talk about it, and everyone has an opinion about it, but nobody DOES anything about it except talk and expound on their principals, which yields no results other than a 'puff-up' now and then. Perhaps if those folks with these most outstanding ideas ran for office and did something, we'd be in better shape.

But that's not going to happen. Opinions are like butt-holes. Everyone has one, but our children are in the crapper nonetheless. Thank you, Mr. millionaire Politician and these sage useless opinions which do no good..

Clipper's Corner is a great place to vent, but why are many of our children still in the crapper? Why? And what are you going to do about it? And think of what their children are going to learn from what we've taught them. With this attitude, we're all into the toilet quite soon.

Thanks Chris and Bobbbiez. If I can use an archaic expression, "You da man." (sorry about the gender flip-flop)

[bobbbiez]

Ralph, by mentioning Desiree Case, (the girl who hooked around your block & threw stones at your van), you reinforced what Fiona was trying to say.

This was a sixteen year old girl who was failed by all in her young life. This young girl was sexually abused many times before she reached the age of fourteen and would ran away from home. In my book she was just a baby. Seeing that she and her brothers (who have also been in trouble with the law many times) lived in a disfunctional home the system placed her in an institution that was suppose to help her. Wrong! She was again sexually abused in that institution and she would ran away from there. Through the grapevine many (including myself) working there knew who the abuser was. It only became public in the newspaper after she was murdered.

It doesn't take an Einstein to figure out WHY this girl was in the life style that eventually caused her death. Sure, I'm positive "she would slice you and dice you in between hits on the crack pipe," but this girl never stood a chance. She had absolutely no guidance from any one in her entire life and that's all she knew. To me she was still a baby when she was murdered. There are plenty of Desiree Cases out there and they need help. Just labeling them little "bitches" is giving no solutions. We as a society have to start asking the system what are you doing to help these young girls?

Desiree or any other little "bitch" as some like to label them, does not deserve the horrible death that this little girl received and they deserve a chance to learn there is a better life.

[bobbbiez]

Clipper, don' t you dare quit posting or I'll come out to Tennessee and kick your dupa royally.

You want people to give their opinions on everything and everyone will. Nothing wrong with that and that is why the Corner is successful. I'm positive everyone likes it that way.

We are all adults and shouldn't have thin skins just because someone thinks differently. Just have to realize because of age, gender, experiences, and sometimes just living in different areas we will have our own feelings and opinions on many issues. I don't expect people to feel or think as I do and vise versa, but we can and do respect the others right to their opinions.

Being on a forum and also becoming as a family we have to expect some feuds once in a while, but as a family does, soon all is forgiven and forgotten and we carry on. That's what I see here on the Corner and why I believe it is so successful.

Get some needed rest my friend, but I expect to hear from you soon (after you count to ten.)

ps: Besides, if you ain't around, I won't have anyone to pick on that takes it so well. You were missed (but I did have a blast when I knew you couldn't fire back on me.)

[bobbbiez]

Ok, you counted to ten. Me very happy!

[Clipper]

Well Bobbbiez. I think I DO need to quit posting for a while. I have been stressed to the max for the last year with Kathy's health problems, and it is affecting my entire demeanor. I started this thing and watched it grow and become like a family. I certainly don't want to be responsible for it's demise.

We started this thing with the idea in mind that it would not be "censored" and moderated any more than necessary, and we would be free to speak our minds. Now I am "immature" because I have the word Bitch in my vocabulary? Sorry. In my present frame of mind, that really pisses me off. This is NOT Sesame Street or Mr Roger's Neighborhood. It's a discussion forum.

I poured my heart and soul into getting this thing going, and building it up. Ralph made it what it is, with his technical knowledge and excellent moderating skills. I will not let it fall apart due to my own stressed out loss of control and good judgment.

Kathy is 70 years old and looking at a 7 1/2 hour operation to totally reconstruct her spine to put the natural curve back where they had straightened her spine with the original rods that they put in. She is going to be out flat for a month or so, a week in the hospital, a week or two in rehab, then about a three month recuperation at home. The reason for this particular operation is that she has developed scoliosis along with the other problems, and it is tilting her spine and pinching nerves that cause her to have charlie horses in the calf of her leg that last 20 minutes or more and come one right after the other for a couple of hours at a time. I spend many of our nights rubbing her calf to try and relieve the cramped muscle. They "promise" to relieve her pain, but as with any spine surgery, and more so with the extensive whittling of bone and reconstruction, she could end up without pain but in a wheelchair with but a slip of the scalpel.

So ya see, I just need to take a break, and leave Ralph to handle the forum. As I said, I have more important things to worry about right now. Kathy IS my life. I could really give a damn right now about what anyone else thinks, so with that attitude, I will just quit posting for a while.

I have too much on my mind and that is why shit like forgetting my password for the forum, because I don't use it for a year at a time, is very aggravating. I ALWAYS take the notebook with me when I travel, because it has all my telephone numbers and addresses in it also. I just didn't even think of it until I went to sign on the forum from the hotel last night.
It seems like every time I sit down to the keyboard lately, I piss someone off, so I just will confine my keyboarding to email and facebook for a while.

I love all our members, and I will start posting again when I get some of the other stresses in my life straightened out.

[Ralph]

Clipper, you take care of your own first. We aren’t going anywhere and will be here when you are ready.

As far as this topic goes…..I am not saying anyone is right or wrong here, we are after all just expressing opinions.

I have been fortunate enough in different parts of my life to touch base with many different parts of society all across the country. From the multi-million a year club all the way down to the dime bag on the street folks, and now I am stuck here on the lower rung of the middle somewhere…..but I digress.

The world today, ethically anyway, is no different than it was 200, 500, or 2,000 years ago. There is good ……there is bad, there are great wonders and great disappointments, great moral values and severely disappointing baseless behaviors.
The great difference between the 1810’s and the 2010’s is the way news travels and is exposed; there is barely any privacy and any random act of debauchery is quickly posted on You-Tube and broadcast before someone can pull up their pants and zip their fly………”tag” you’re it.

The hob-nobs I associated with when I lived in the Houston/Galveston area could have bought and sold Utica during lunch as if they were playing some huge game of Monopoly. But in the dark behind closed doors they were busy banging each others better halfs and stabbing the rest in the back……..just like the lowlifes here that live behind barred doors hoping they don’t get caught with the dime bag that is more parsley than marijuana.

Yes, many of those out there with problems started out with them at home……e.g. Desiree Case.
But many more that had the same problems in all different walks of life that did not go down that path, life is above all things…..what you make of it.
Einstein wasn’t all that and a bag of chips, but look where he wound up……ditto Adolph Hitler. Doesn’t matter his problems at home, he DID succeed to a point…..a few months or so later and we might be sprechen sie Deutsch today.

Point is that life is many different shades of gray. You see what you see and I see what I see, so do Swimmy and Fiona. Theirs, yours, and my opinions are based on our experiences…or lack thereof.
God, Allah, the Tao or whatever, may judge us in black & white; but for now we live as we always have, in paler shades of gray.

Once we all come to terms with that fact we will all be more tolerant of others opinions.
Kind of like the old “don’t judge a person until you have walked a mile in their shoes” type thing.

Till then we'll just wind up "bitching" at each other I guess.

[bobbbiez]

Yepper! That's what keeps the world going round and round.


ps: But don't be bitchin too much at me, Ralphie, cause ya live to damn close. ;D