Following the recall from afar.

[corner]

narcissistic does tha mean she touches herself in an impure manner( k through 8 at catholic grammar school sorry about that>)

[Clipper]

That is called "desperation when NOBODY else will touch you in an "impure" fashion, and it becomes necessary to do it yourself, LOLOL! That it most likely the case here.

[lioneljoe]

I think the lesson from the recall effort is clear: All of us who believe in real reform should just sit down, shut up and color and let the "adults" who love us and know what's best for us take care of us.

[corner]

my parolees had a phrase for somebody like her "Stank Ho"

[dgriffin]

She is definitely real. I found a more recent address for her in a 2008 campaign donation state report.
Is her mother still alive, if anyone knows? The woman who was on the Utica school board? There are newspaper reports describing Susan calling to Proctor students from outside the building, inciting them to walk out of school. The incident took place while her mother was on the school board. Susan was an adult at the time.

[stoney]

An adult what?

[corner]

Jul 30, 2009 13:27:51 GMT -5 @stoney said:

An adult what?

Rectum!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[denise]

Certainly she sounds like she's over the edge.

But what about Newell? I can understand that maybe the recall effort was too much for him to physically handle. Did he really think it was going to be easy? Him dropping the ball on his project is one thing, the aboutface on his views and opinions of mayor Roefaro is quite another. He just turned on a dime. He must have really gotten a pretty good wooing!!

[dgriffin]

Aug 3, 2009 8:11:16 GMT -5 denise said:

Certainly she sounds like she's over the edge.

But what about Newell? I can understand that maybe the recall effort was too much for him to physically handle. Did he really think it was going to be easy? Him dropping the ball on his project is one thing, the aboutface on his views and opinions of mayor Roefaro is quite another. He just turned on a dime. He must have really gotten a pretty good wooing!!

Maybe his anger with Suzy exceeded his hate for Roefaro. Getting friendly with the enemy seems a fairly commn way to make one's self feel safer. Diminishing the threat.

[gearofzanzibar]

Aug 3, 2009 8:11:16 GMT -5 denise said:

But what about Newell? I can understand that maybe the recall effort was too much for him to physically handle. Did he really think it was going to be easy? Him dropping the ball on his project is one thing, the aboutface on his views and opinions of mayor Roefaro is quite another. He just turned on a dime. He must have really gotten a pretty good wooing!!

I think, and this is pure speculation, that having the recall movement hijacked by Ms. Arcuri was a huge shock to Mr. Newell. To an extent, he was naive about the vicious nature of politics. When he discovered that he'd lost all control of the effort by turning over the petitions to Arcuri, and that she was determined to turn the recall into the launch of a political campaign, it was a bit of a "devil you know" situation.

[rodwilson]

Aug 3, 2009 11:45:39 GMT -5 gearofzanzibar said:

Aug 3, 2009 8:11:16 GMT -5 denise said:

But what about Newell? I can understand that maybe the recall effort was too much for him to physically handle. Did he really think it was going to be easy? Him dropping the ball on his project is one thing, the aboutface on his views and opinions of mayor Roefaro is quite another. He just turned on a dime. He must have really gotten a pretty good wooing!!

I think, and this is pure speculation, that having the recall movement hijacked by Ms. Arcuri was a huge shock to Mr. Newell. To an extent, he was naive about the vicious nature of politics. When he discovered that he'd lost all control of the effort by turning over the petitions to Arcuri, and that she was determined to turn the recall into the launch of a political campaign, it was a bit of a "devil you know" situation.

That's accurate Gears. Mr. Newell had no knowledge of JD's history before accepting her help with the exception of history of petition gathering. She and friend(s) contacted Mr. Newell. The "other" was an attorney and I understand that there were a couple of political folks in there as well. Mr. Newell trusted the "experience" and "knowledge" of these people. JD and friends hijacked this thing from jump by keeping Mr. Newell in the dark and by thwarting his efforts by using his trust in them, against him.

[denise]

I am sure it was very startling to watch Ms. Arcuri in action!! I don't doubt that it is probably a very negative thing to be affiliated with such a freak show. However, why not just drop out of sight? Or better yet, offer the explanation that due to personality conflict, the effort of the recall was being suspended. Was there a need to Mr. Newell to actually backpedal on his previous opinion of the Roefaro administration?

[dgriffin]

Here's the last piece of "news" that I read, linked below. While he certainly doesn't appear heroic, I'm not sure we can say he backpedaled from his position, except that he no longer is pushing for a recall, but instead is saying he wants to work with the mayor to settle differences. Depends on how you interpret it, I guess. Now that I think of it, what WAS his issue? Wasn't Newell's tipping point the appointment of LaBella? That isn't going to change.

www.uticaod.com/homepage/x1641096936/Newell-ends-camaign-to-recall-Roefaro

[gearofzanzibar]

Aug 3, 2009 12:16:23 GMT -5 @rodwilson said:

That's accurate Gears. Mr. Newell had no knowledge of JD's history before accepting her help with the exception of history of petition gathering. She and friend(s) contacted Mr. Newell. The "other" was an attorney and I understand that there were a couple of political folks in there as well. Mr. Newell trusted the "experience" and "knowledge" of these people. JD and friends hijacked this thing from jump by keeping Mr. Newell in the dark and by thwarting his efforts by using his trust in them, against him.

What happened really was a damn shame, but I wouldn't put all the blame on Ms. Arcuri. The people behind her knew exactly what buttons to push to take advantage of her well documented personal quirks. Her actions weren't out of blind spite. I feel comfortable speculating that she was guided along the entire time she was involved in the effort and then dumped as soon as she had accomplished the intended goal. I've received a few emails saying as much, but I obviously can't vouch for their authenticity.

None of this was accidental. I don't want to wander into Ms. Arcuri's frame of mind and start spouting off about conspiracies everywhere, but I will say this- go back and look at the public statements from both Mr. Roefaro and Ms. Destito over the last month. If you do, you'll notice they've both started using the phrase "a promise kept". Why? Because someone has been feeding them polling data that, one, shows the area's voters aren't very happy, and two, that particular phrase is effective in deflecting perceptions of incompetence and corruption.

Then again, I could just need to tighten the straps on my tinfoil hat. Take it for what it's worth.

[dgriffin]

Aug 4, 2009 0:08:21 GMT -5 gearofzanzibar said:

Aug 3, 2009 12:16:23 GMT -5 @rodwilson said:

That's accurate Gears. Mr. Newell had no knowledge of JD's history before accepting her help with the exception of history of petition gathering. She and friend(s) contacted Mr. Newell. The "other" was an attorney and I understand that there were a couple of political folks in there as well. Mr. Newell trusted the "experience" and "knowledge" of these people. JD and friends hijacked this thing from jump by keeping Mr. Newell in the dark and by thwarting his efforts by using his trust in them, against him.

What happened really was a damn shame, but I wouldn't put all the blame on Ms. Arcuri. The people behind her knew exactly what buttons to push to take advantage of her well documented personal quirks. Her actions weren't out of blind spite. I feel comfortable speculating that she was guided along the entire time she was involved in the effort and then dumped as soon as she had accomplished the intended goal. I've received a few emails saying as much, but I obviously can't vouch for their authenticity.

None of this was accidental. I don't want to wander into Ms. Arcuri's frame of mind and start spouting off about conspiracies everywhere, but I will say this- go back and look at the public statements from both Mr. Roefaro and Ms. Destito over the last month. If you do, you'll notice they've both started using the phrase "a promise kept". Why? Because someone has been feeding them polling data that, one, shows the area's voters aren't very happy, and two, that particular phrase is effective in deflecting perceptions of incompetence and corruption.

Then again, I could just need to tighten the straps on my tinfoil hat. Take it for what it's worth.

Your implication is she can be useful. That's true of a cannon ball. I would think anyone would be crazy to attempt to steer her to their purposes. Newell, maybe, because he's a political neophyte. But experienced politicians? Very surprising, Gear.