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Post by Clipper on Jun 26, 2009 9:59:10 GMT -5
Larry has explained his position fully, as far as I am concerned. I don't know what it is that you expect him to do Joe. He has a constiuency to represent and it would serve no useful purpose for him to alienate anyone at this point.
I get the impression that Larry has no objection to Dan LaBella, but is not in favor of the way the appointment was handled. I speak only for my own impression and can't speak for Larry.
One might ask what YOUR political affiliations are with the present administration and what your opinion is of the mayor and his way of doing business. It is easy for all of us to sit behind a screen name and type away. Everyone here knows that I am Dick Naegele, and that Larry Tanoury Jr. is Larry T, even though we use screen names. My opinions can be put with a face and a name. I would think it only fair for Larry T to know who it is that is so adamantly insistent on hammering his reputation or credibility in an election year.
My opinion is this, for all it is worth. I am not insisting that LaBella is NOT qualified at all to do the job. I simply know, having dealt with LaBella or at least having been familiar with him while working nights at the OD, and having seen him out and about at the Nice and Easy etc. years ago when he was a street cop, that he was not the sharpest pencil in the box. That is why he didn't make sgt, and that is why I question the judgment of the mayor in appointing him over the other two candidates. My angst is with the underhanded shit that qualified him to be appointed, and with the mayor and his arrogance in appointing Dan, and the attitude since then. The MAYOR is the REAL dumbass in this situation, and recall or not, he will be sent back to the embalming room in the next election. They could run a parrot against him and win, and at least the parrot would speak for itself, and not hide behind a "talking head" nephew.
So Joe, I simply would like to know YOUR take on the issue, and then I might better be able to understand your obsession with putting Larry Jr. on the hotseat with every post.
No offense meant, but it is only fair to know both sides of the story when someone takes a personal turn in their posting. Larry puts himself out here as a "target". It is only fair to know who is doing the shooting, so that he knows whether he should duck, shoot back, or simply ignore the posts and consider the source.
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Post by rodwilson on Jun 26, 2009 10:43:11 GMT -5
Swimmy, you're so right on that I ALMOST want to apologize for that last thread we shared. I would if I wasn't so RIGHT!  Larry, I would just like to quickly clarify that Mr. Newell's action is really more about the state of Utica. The LaBella situation sealed the deal. The Roefaro administration has done little to move the city in a forward direction. It's clear that he's content to just bide out his time. He's shown NO respect for the residents and in fact has demonstrate a blatant disrespect. I really was giving him the benefit of the doubt. I had attributed MUCH to missteps and inexperience. It's now pretty clear that that's not the case. That to me is not leadership. Growing up, a pretty recurring theme was stand up for what you believe in. I'm THRILLED to see someone doing it! |
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Post by rodwilson on Jun 26, 2009 10:46:22 GMT -5
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Post by lioneljoe on Jun 26, 2009 10:58:51 GMT -5
From Dave: "One might ask what YOUR political affiliations are with the present administration and what your opinion is of the mayor and his way of doing business. It is easy for all of us to sit behind a screen name and type away. Everyone here knows that I am Dick Naegele, and that Larry Tanoury Jr. is Larry T, even though we use screen names. My opinions can be put with a face and a name. I would think it only fair for Larry T to know who it is that is so adamantly insistent on hammering his reputation or credibility in an election year."
Fair enough Dave: I'm Joe Bolton and I am a registered Republican and New Hartford Resident. I love this area and care deeply about good, honest, open government. That's my standard and it goes above any loyalty to any party. I have put my money where my mouth is and have never been afraid to grab the bullhorn and use it. Most recently, I have letters in the OD criticizing New Hartford Republicans Earle Reed and Dave Reynolds. During the last election I appeared on the Bill Keellor show, WIBX's First Look and the Hank Brown show taking on Mike Arcuri. I also had two large Op Ed pieces in the OD criticizing Arcuri. As you can see, I have not been afraid to put my reputation on line in the community where I live. As for Larry, I am not “adamantly insistent on hammering his reputation or credibility.” I am asking straight up questions though, especially when Larry is unclear or appears to contradict himself. Can you point out one question that has been unfair? I like Larry, I would like him to succeed, but I would like him to be fair and consistent.
Look, I’ve walked the talk, I show no party partiality. From my perspective, if you’re going to grab the bullhorn as Larry has done, then I would expect that you would use it with courage, fairness and impartiality. Well, I hope that sheds some light on where I am coming from. Respectfully…
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Post by corner on Jun 26, 2009 12:12:06 GMT -5
corner, don't you find it slightly odd that: 1. they created the psc position while Pylman was Police Chief; 2. after Pylman's contract was bought out, roefie petitioned the state to make the Police Chief position civil service exam exempt? 3. now that labella is Police Chief, they eliminated the psc position? psc position has always been on the books sometimes a dual hat worn by the mayor dont you remember bruni and maye? |
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Post by Swimmy on Jun 26, 2009 12:48:55 GMT -5
I use the before-my-time-defense?
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Post by Swimmy on Jun 26, 2009 12:53:41 GMT -5
Swimmy, you're so right on that . . . Of course I'm right; I'm always right lol ;D I . . . want to apologize for that last thread we shared. . . . Apology accepted! ;D Lol. Don't you just love using editorial privileges. hahahahahahaha. Just kidding about the above. Suffice to say we are two people very involved and passionate about our beliefs. We just happened to let our passions get the better of us. It happens and is bound to happen where there is heated discussion on both sides. I tried not to take anything personal and tried not to get personal. I admit I failed on both fronts. And I do apologize for that. I think we both did. No one said this forum is always civil, though most times it is. I'm cool if you're cool.  Now get back to collecting those signatures! |
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Post by corner on Jun 26, 2009 14:39:21 GMT -5
ouch!
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Post by rodwilson on Jun 26, 2009 14:43:54 GMT -5
Swimmy, you're so right on that . . . Of course I'm right; I'm always right lol ;D I . . . want to apologize for that last thread we shared. . . . Apology accepted! ;D Lol. Don't you just love using editorial privileges. hahahahahahaha. Just kidding about the above. Suffice to say we are two people very involved and passionate about our beliefs. We just happened to let our passions get the better of us. It happens and is bound to happen where there is heated discussion on both sides. I tried not to take anything personal and tried not to get personal. I admit I failed on both fronts. And I do apologize for that. I think we both did. No one said this forum is always civil, though most times it is. I'm cool if you're cool. Now get back to collecting those signatures! Totally cool! |
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Post by Clipper on Jun 26, 2009 16:53:16 GMT -5
Thanks Joe. I am Clipper, not Dave, but I am happy to know who you are and that your posts have creedence. I have read your writings about Arcuri and the NH Reed debacles in the OD, and have the deepest respect for your opinions on that subject. Larry has spoken to the issue, and most likely is not going to have anything further to say unless the situation changes.
Most of us seem to understand that he cannot come out an publicly blast his own party in an election year. Change takes time, and has to be handled one issue at a time. He has his plate full at the county level, without taking on city problems unless they become an issue at the county level, or his constituents bring them to him. If his 25th legislative district isn't complaining, he has no reason to take on City Hall.
I respect your decision to come on line with your identity and to give substance to your posting. Thanks for that. Have a great evening Joe.
Respectfully yours,
Dick Naegele (Clipper)
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Post by lioneljoe on Jun 26, 2009 19:11:16 GMT -5
Thanks Clipper... I appreciate your response. I know that well meaning people can disagree time to time. For now, I will wish Larry well in his re-election bid and hope that the recall will be the start of real change here.
Joe (Lioneljoe)
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Post by Clipper on Jun 26, 2009 19:55:37 GMT -5
Heck, if we all agreed, discussion forums would be pretty boring fare, LOL. We usually manage to work it out, or simply agree to disagree.
We simply try to keep it civil here instead of climbing all over each other's cases like topix. I am sure you have noticed that, and appreciate it as much as the rest of us do.
Opposing views or views that don't necessary mirror our own, allow us to see a wider spectrum of opinion and broaden our own views on a regular basis. Glad to have ya aboard Joe.
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Post by tanouryjr on Jun 26, 2009 20:20:55 GMT -5
Thanks everyone for your understanding. Joe, I have read your columns and can't remember a time when I've disagreed with you on much. One thing we can all agree on is that the energy being shown is very encouraging. I hope it continues on all issues.
Just a little update. I was out all day gathering signatures for my re-election. This was certainly the main topic. Most people seemed frustrated by the whole thing. Many were concerned with the process, but they were also worried that someone might come asking them to sign a recall petition. It has actually hurt our signature gathering. Many people that I didn't know personally, were initially skeptical of signing any petition. I had to spend a lot of time ensuring them that it was not the recall petition.
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Post by gearofzanzibar on Jun 26, 2009 21:51:37 GMT -5
Many were concerned with the process, but they were also worried that someone might come asking them to sign a recall petition. It has actually hurt our signature gathering. Many people that I didn't know personally, were initially skeptical of signing any petition. I had to spend a lot of time ensuring them that it was not the recall petition. Couldn't you just, you know, have them read it? Or were these the easily confused/suffer from a language barrier voters Mr. Ford is worried about? |
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Post by tanouryjr on Jun 27, 2009 0:35:03 GMT -5
Many were concerned with the process, but they were also worried that someone might come asking them to sign a recall petition. It has actually hurt our signature gathering. Many people that I didn't know personally, were initially skeptical of signing any petition. I had to spend a lot of time ensuring them that it was not the recall petition. Couldn't you just, you know, have them read it? Or were these the easily confused/suffer from a language barrier voters Mr. Ford is worried about? Actually, Gear, that I am upset about (not you, the press conference). That press conference did us all more harm than good. It was ill conceived and looked terrible. All it did was hurt all of the candidates (Dem and Rep) gathering petitions for their own races. It basically sent a message that intimidated people, and that is totally unexceptable. Trust me, I had it out with our Chairman over that. Like I said before, anyone has a right to gather petitions, and NO ONE should attempt to bully them or intimidate them. I do know that it wasn't the Mayor's idea. Now they have everyone nervous about signing anything. |
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