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Post by Swimmy on Jan 27, 2008 8:25:09 GMT -5
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Post by maybe on Jan 27, 2008 17:57:36 GMT -5
I am very impressed with Obama after hearing his Speach on Saturday night after his win in SC. This is very amazing to me because I am a longtime republican. He sounded like a combination of JFK and MLK. Maybe he can heal the country instead of dividing it further.
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Post by frankcor on Jan 27, 2008 18:02:29 GMT -5
If I were voting in a Dem primary, I would pick Obama over Hillary. I don't think he says things just so people hear what they want to hear him say as much as she does.
I don't know that healing the country is required. We are a society that is split just about in half on just about every issue. I don't know what the cause of that is, but it sure makes for interesting politics.
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Post by Swimmy on Jan 27, 2008 18:57:54 GMT -5
I think "maybe" means that Obama can hopefully extinguish the bitter dissonance between both parties and re-focus our efforts on the important issues rather than the political bolstering. There was a major rift in American society after the 2000 Presidential Election. Since, it's become almost a taboo to discuss politics because of extreme attitudes on both sides. It's only recently that I have felt comfortable to discuss politics with people and not have to worry about ostracizing everyone.
Politicians like hrc have an entire record of behaving in such reckless behavior.
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Post by maybe on Jan 27, 2008 20:31:48 GMT -5
Swimmy, You are correct. That is exactly what I meant. I am so tired of the hatred and all out lies and distortions of the truth that I have been hearing for the past 8 to 12 years. I am sick of the rantings of the far left and right nuts that are getting so much attention by the media. The Clintons have to go and so does the current administration in Washington. While they are at it the Democratic party would do well to get rid of there nutty chairman, Howard Dean. What a joke he is.
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Post by Swimmy on Jan 27, 2008 21:05:30 GMT -5
I couldn't agree more with you.
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Post by concerned on Jan 28, 2008 14:58:09 GMT -5
So many people that I know are sold on Obama. Major point is the direstion he will move the country toward in terms of major relief for the poor, lower income and lower middle income people. The time has come for these groups of peoples to reap the harvest. Food Stamps, HEOP, Medicaid etc need to be expanded. The Medicare Part B should be free just like the Part A. The Medicare Prescription Drug Program has to be completely overhauled; the gap when a individual starts paying the full price for there prescriptions is far to low. We need change and allthough I think Clinton will get the DNC nod of approval if she takes Obama as her vice we just may have a shot at the Presidency. On the other hand if by chance Osama does get the DNC nod I hope he doesn't do what he said he would do; ie make Oprah he choice for vice.
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Post by frankcor on Jan 28, 2008 15:47:13 GMT -5
concerned, how much have we spent on programs for the poor since LBJ's War on Poverty began in the '60s? $1 Trillion? $2 Trillion? If spending money on poor people made a difference, why are there still poor people? Obama's long list of expanded giveaways (Food Stamps, HEOP, Medicaid, Part B, Part A) will only ensure that we will continue to have poor people, based on past performance. If we keep doing the same thing over and over again, expecting different results, we're crazy.
I agree we need change. In my mind, that voids any candidacy by a Republican or a Democrat. I like Ron Paul because he's really a Libertarian.
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Post by Swimmy on Jan 28, 2008 17:02:22 GMT -5
I was reading up a little on Ron Paul. He seems like a solid candidate so far.
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Post by nhcitizen18 on Jan 28, 2008 17:43:23 GMT -5
Does anyone have any information on Obama's early education in a Madrassa in Indonesia? I know that was big news a while back but I haven't heard much about it since. Those places are terribly anti-American and are breeding grounds for future terrorists. To be honest that concerns me. I'd like to know a little bit more about that but I haven't been able to find much.
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Post by frankcor on Jan 28, 2008 17:59:01 GMT -5
nhcitizen, do you think Obama is a terrorist plant? Do you think it's possible he has anti-American sentiments as a result of his childhood schooling? Or is this not really an issue and is the result of typical campaign mudslinging?
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Post by Swimmy on Jan 28, 2008 18:55:33 GMT -5
Of course that story was told to sling mud at Obama. I sincerely doubt a terrorist trained to hate America so vehemently would want to run, first for Senator and win, and then run for president. All to accomplish what? Cede American independence to Al Quaida? Another revolution would result before that would happen.
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Post by frankcor on Jan 28, 2008 18:58:03 GMT -5
Well, he could always be a sleeper agent. He could receive a coded message in his first night in the White House and kabooom, there goes our seat of government.
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Post by Swimmy on Jan 28, 2008 19:03:59 GMT -5
Sort of like a Manchurian Candidate meets 'The Handmaid's Tale' (a really good sci-fi book)?
Being a sleeper agent, akin to the Manchurian Candidate, who blows up D.C. similar to how the oppressive regime in the Handmaid's Tale took over America by gunning down Congress on the Capitol's steps.
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Post by nhcitizen18 on Jan 28, 2008 20:42:07 GMT -5
I'm not implying any type of conspiracy theory. Obama has been criticized before for not putting his hand over his heart during the Pledge of Allegiance or National Anthem. Even the main stream news has commented on this. If this Madrassa thing is also true and not some sort of mud-slinging hoax then yeah it concerns me. Maybe he's a great guy I don't really know, but the President I want is one that has a dyed to the wool true love of this country. There is a lot of cynicism within our country and a lot of criticism from those outside of our country. I want a President who is above all that and has some true patriotism. To be honest I agree with Obama on a few of the items on his domestic policy platform (not all by any means), but I'm not sure he really and truly has a love for this country in his gut. Hey I could be totally wrong, but something just rubs me the wrong way about him. As an example of what I mean, I don't really agree with much of what Charlie Rangel (Congressman New York 15th district) believes in, and its well known that President Bush is his political enemy. However I will never forget the day that he vehemently chastised Hugo Chavez for coming into this country and attacking President Bush. Here is his quote: ""You don't come into my country; you don't come into my congressional district and you don't condemn my president," Rep. Charles Rangel, D-New York, scolded Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez."" Here is a link to the video: www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/09/21/chavez.ny/Hearing him say that about his political enemy was something I will never forget and reminded me of how American politics should be. You can't argue that the man has a true love of this country...I'm not sure I get that same feeling from Obama. Thats all I'm trying to say.
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