Double Homicide in Rome today!

[rrogers40]

thelma said:

admin said:

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I have a question. Was the Kieth Moore III shooting in Utica, the incident that brought about the shitstorm over one of the Proctor ball players not being able to play because of threats of violence if he was at a game last season? I remember an incident, but don't remember any names. Something about the ballplayers brother had been the shooter, and revenge was on the mind of he deceased kid's friends and family.

Have a good day darlin. Hope Grandaughter and you are happy and healthy today. Keep smilin!

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YES - you are right. The shooting death of Keith Moore III created a lot of fear for the students at Proctor for almost a year after his death as there were persistent rumors of retaliation by Keith's friends against the gang of thugs that were involved in the shooting of Keith. The player that was kept from playing the basketball game was a relative of the actual shooter not Keith and also a trouble maker.

Attending school at Proctor is NOT pleasant!

From what I understand it never was.

[bobbbiez]

Thelma, the same with Donovan on Noyes Street. You don't even want to drive by it never mind go inside. Honestly, if my kids were still of school age they wouldn't be going to either one from what I see the students doing when they're excused.

No excuse, No excuse for that type of behavior. All I see is a bunch of animals leaving school. I see the police having their hands full and having a very hard time controlling them. I see that on a daily basis since it's the route I have to take to my sister's house.
Now seeing that and how much trouble the police have with them, I can only imagine what the class rooms are like and what the teacher can't control.

No way would my kids be in those schools!

[thelma]

Bobbbiez - My GD was tourtored at home from February to June of last year for medical reasons. Her teacher told me she was even afraid to go inside Proctor to drop off paperwork!

Since I'm too "old" to move out of Utica and sell me home only to go into debt with a higher mortgagee in order to live outside of Utica's school district, there is nothing I can do to prevent my GD from attending Proctor. What gets me is this School Board is NOT even considering builing another High School to take away the overcrowding at Proctor
All they are currently proposing are bandaid type of solutions.

As you have probably read in the OD, North Utica will NOT approve this School budget proposal due to the fact they want to turn General Herkimer school into a middle school - which means bringing some of these hoodlums over here.

EVERYONE on that School Board (except Lou LaPolla) should be voted off as all they care about is their salaries and the hell with the safety and welfare of the average "normal" student.

[bobbbiez]

Thelma, haven't kept up with much about the schools available in your area but is there any Catholic schools still available? Is St. Peter's still in existence or any others? Even if one's income was lower they use to have programs to assist in payments in certain parishes.

[thelma]

bobbbiez - St. Peter's is only an Elementary school - GD is a Junior at Proctor; 1 more year to go.

The only other private/catholic school is Norter Dame and she doesn't have the grades/marks to qualify for entrance and I don't have the kind of money they want for tuition.

So - she will continue what she has been doing. Avoiding the trouble makers and if anyone tries to assault or intimidate her, she reports it to her Counselor and let the school discipline the other student. This is one of the reasons why I pick her up every day after school so she doesn't have to stay on the bus for an hour before it gets to North Utica and drops her off.

[bobbbiez]

Thelma, how bout home schooling? I've heard lots of good reports about kids with that education and they're all good, especially since your GG only has one more year left.
Seems there's got to be something available for her situation. In any case it sucks.
I can remember just one time when I was afraid to go to school and that's not a very good feeling for any young person.

[thelma]

What this School Board doesn't realize is that not all of our teenagers are accustomed to the lifestyles of the hoodlums that walk up and down James Street and elsewhere in our City's crime neighborhoods.

I made damn sure that my GD's would never have to live in these types of neighborhoods and their mother was a Single Parent with three children to support and no child support or help from their father.

I helped her make the rent payments on various apartments in "nice" neighborhoods and ended up buyijng this house I am living in for her and the girls to always have a home of their own. As a result, all the these girls went to General Herkimer and JFK here in North Utica.

Then, when my oldest GD went to High School, she was sent to Proctor and faced with hoodlums and a totally different way of life by the majority of the students that go there. Just drive by Proctor at 2;30PM when school is dismissed and you will see what I mean!

Yes, she was scared to death and very intimidated by their actions. It has taken her two years to finally realize that there are many teachers, security officers, etc. there to protect her. All she has to do is let them know of someone is threatening her.

I would like to see everyone of the people on our School Board spend one full day inside of Proctor! If they did, I'll bet they would find the money to build a second High School in a nicer neighborhood and let the "baggy pants" attend Proctor.

[bobbbiez]

Thelma, but with the busing issue, if I'm not mistaken these baggy pant kids can attend any school in the Utica school district.

I can remember all the lame excuses they gave to institute busing when the issue came up in the 70's and we in N.Utica opposed it and fought to stop it from happening. We lived in N.Utica and did not want our kids bussed to the other side of town. We wanted our kids to go to their neighborhood schools.

Now with less schools, especially high schools, there is more of a mess but if there were more high schools as in the past, sad to say, but your GG would not escape those baggy pant future inmates.

[thelma]

I only wish I could roll back the clock and let her see what it was like when I went to UFA in the 50s. We minged with the kids from South and West Utica and many became friends of mine and we had such fun. It was certainly a carefree era back in those days -before guns and dope was brought into the schools.

Now, the school environment is almost like going into a maximum security prison where the inmates run the operation!

I agree - bring back the neighborhood schools. If I wanted to live the life these baggy pants furture inmates live, I would have moved into their neighborhood. Instead, I busted my *** and got educated and worked hard all my life to be able to afford a nice home in a nice neighborhood insuring myself and loved ones would not have to worry about criminals invading their space.

You're right - baggy pants can attend any school they want. BUT - the neighborhood kids get first preference and IF there is any room left over for baggy pants, then they are allowed to attend that school.

As I said before, this School Board has put our children in harm's way with some of their stupid and illogical decisions. This is a prime consideration of people that want to buy a house and deciding where they want to live. As much as I love North Utica as this is where I was born and raised, I wish now I had considered buying a house outside of the City of Utica.

[Ralph]

Hmmm......maybe more than meets the eye to this story. Too bad the OD can't dig as well as the Syracuse Post-Standard can.


"About two weeks ago, Judson T. Watkins Jr. telephoned his grandmother in Syracuse and told her someone had fired a shot at him, but missed".............................
tinyurl.com/2g2p46

[Clipper]

Now that is a sad story, and a sad life. His mother murdered when he was in diapers, and his dad doing time for rape. What the hell example did this kid have in his life? It sounds like he was lost before he was out of elementary school. Very very sad. Born into a life of violence and crime, he didn't stand a chance.

There is much more to many stories, that the OD doesn't bother to look at in depth. Here is a kid that most likely was over 16 when he completed grammar school, seeing as how the article states he "never attended high school".

Now, not only is he gone, but the article states that he and the Gualteri girl are expecting their first child. Now we have the cycle starting over again. He lost his mother to murder, and his yet to be born child, has lost his father to murder, before the child is even born.

I don't make any suppositions about what kind of kid he was, and don't know any history of his involvements with the law if any, but the kid sure had a rough road to travel, right from a young age.

[Ralph]

Kind of doomed from the start in some aspects.

I just happened by chance to run across the article in a paper someone left at work last night looking for crosswords for Betty.

I was stunned by it! So much was made that this was just a random event, when there may have been a lot of background to it and it just came to a head at that spot.

Terrible that a Syracuse paper can dig at a random stabbing 50 miles away and our own local paper doesn't even bother to try.

[smiley]

Judson a/k/a "snowflake" was by no means an angel. His upbringing was not the best however he was living with his grandmother and had a choice to take the good road or the bad.
There is many many things that the papers are not disclosing and for obvious reasons as this is an ongoing investigation.
The parties involved in the stabbing were not scholar students or upstanding citizens that were giving back to the community.

[Ralph]

smiley said:

The parties involved in the stabbing were not scholar students or upstanding citizens that were giving back to the community.

Hahahaha.........that's sure the understatement of the week!

[oc455]

I spoke with one of my buddies that dealt with Hernandez before, he said he had him when he was sixteen. He even told him if he keeps going the way he does, he will not see the age of 30! Guess he was right. None of these guys involved were angels. I have a hard time shedding any tears or showing any sorrow, especially when you learn that he probably had his first body pinned to him when he was twelve.