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Post by Ralph on Jun 8, 2011 12:01:44 GMT -5
Thank you Swimmy. I felt it was the least I could do to show our support.
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Post by Swimmy on Jun 8, 2011 13:12:17 GMT -5
Agreed.
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Post by Clipper on Jun 8, 2011 13:37:26 GMT -5
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Post by bobbbiez on Jun 8, 2011 22:38:31 GMT -5
 Want to congratulate Mrs. Wyman on the birth of her baby girl. Am so happy that both mom and baby are doing well. I know it's a bitter-sweet time for her, but I know as a mother when her little girl was placed in her arms for the first time, and she looked at that little face, the love she felt gave her some peace. God bless them both and always watch over them. I know they have a special angel that will.
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Post by JGRobinson on Jun 9, 2011 4:41:22 GMT -5
Thank God for small miracles!
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Post by Swimmy on Jun 9, 2011 6:23:35 GMT -5
I think it was my great grandmother who said that for every life that begins, one needs to end. Oddly, when my little cousin was born, my aunt commented that she would need to set 9 places at the holiday table. My great grandmother smirked and politely said no. A few months later, she passed away in her sleep.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2011 8:58:43 GMT -5
My sister told me yesterday that the guy who did the shooting worked for the company that does the maintence at Utica College. She said that none of them would ever think that he was capable of doing such a thing. Guess you never know what can make a person snap and act so violently.
I am glad the mother had her child without any problems. I hope she has support ready for any signs of post partam depression. This is all just so sad and at the same time happy because of the birth of their child. I pray for them all.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2011 9:07:05 GMT -5
More information is coming out as to what was happening at the shooting site. It now shows that Patterson never threatened to kill any of the Troopers. He was only saying that he wanted to kill himself. If he wanted to opt for suicide I wonder who fired the first shot. I hope we don't find out that the Troopers acted to swiftly against order's to just persuade Patterson not to commit suicide. I think we are going to read some interesting material in the coming days of the investigation.
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Post by Clipper on Jun 10, 2011 9:55:06 GMT -5
The news releases from the other day state that there WERE no troopers dispatched. It was strictly county deputies on scene.
Knowing several deputies personally, I know that the "Barney Fife" days of hiring a deputy off the street, or because he is politically connected are gone. ALL deputies in late years have a criminal justice education of one sort or another, and ALL are required to attend the academy. These deputies are not country bumpkin jamokes with one bullet and a gun. The Oneida County Sheriff's Dept. has a criminal investigation team that is rivaled only by the State Police, and also trained negotiators who specialize and are well trained to defuse situations like this.
It may never be known what actually prompted the shooter to fire. Only Chris Patterson can tell anyone what actually prompted him to shoot at deputies, and only the surviving deputies who were on the scene can attest to what action exposed Deputy Wyman to the gunfire.
It is a very sad and heartbreaking story, made even sadder by the birth of Deputy Wyman's daughter in the midst of these tragic events. A beautiful little girl who will never know her dad except in pictures and stories told to her by family as she grows up.
I myself will not even attempt to Monday Morning Quarterback the Sheriff's Dept Deputies or their actions. Brave deputies put their lives on the line every night of the week, responding to calls just like this one. Alone on the scene when they first arrive, on a dark country road, totally unaware of what they are about to walk into.
My only hope is that if any mistakes WERE made by deputies, that it serves as a learning experience that will prevent any such thing from re-occurring. May God bless and watch over ALL our law enforcement officers from ALL agencies.
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Post by firstamendment on Jun 10, 2011 10:09:35 GMT -5
I was told no negotiators were dispatched. I also wonder why they didn't use tear gas or the like to smoke him out?
I stated this on the OD, and its just my theory. Perhaps Patterson couldn't pull the trigger on himself and shot at them so they'd have to shoot him, suicide by cop. Not the first time we've seen it. Unfortunately, if that were the case, the intended victim wasn't the one to die.
Clip, make no mistake. There are still some Barnie Fife's and Gungho Yahoo's with the Sheriff's office. I was out a few years ago with a friend for a batchelor party for one of them. Trust me, they were all driving drunk that night.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2011 14:37:08 GMT -5
I was told no negotiators were dispatched. I also wonder why they didn't use tear gas or the like to smoke him out? I stated this on the OD, and its just my theory. Perhaps Patterson couldn't pull the trigger on himself and shot at them so they'd have to shoot him, suicide by cop. Not the first time we've seen it. Unfortunately, if that were the case, the intended victim wasn't the one to die. Clip, make no mistake. There are still some Barnie Fife's and Gungho Yahoo's with the Sheriff's office. I was out a few years ago with a friend for a batchelor party for one of them. Trust me, they were all driving drunk that night. I was thinking the same that the guy couldn't go thru with the suicide so he shot knowing he would be shot at, most likely to kill him. This is why I believe if a person is going to kill themselves just let them do it. Why interfer. It is no one's business. |
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Post by Clipper on Jun 10, 2011 14:57:51 GMT -5
Well, I guess that is one way to look at it, but many times it IS someone else's business. The suicidal person may have kids and others that love them, and are simply distraught and needing someone to intervene at a time when their options seem to have been exhausted. Too many times the actual issue driving a person to that point is simple to rectify if they can be talked out of suicide and pointed to those able to help.
I suppose in a cold, and uncaring world, one would simply insure the safety of anyone else concerned, such as a spouse, and then retreat, wait for the bang and then go in a clean up the mess. I sincerely hope we never come to such place or become that calloused as human beings.
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Post by firstamendment on Jun 10, 2011 16:10:05 GMT -5
I was told there are two types of suicidal people. Those that think they want to and those that will. Those that will are very hard to stop and most of the time are found already dead. Those that think they want to, typically its a plea for help where they wake up later and realize it was not what they wanted to do. If this is a suicidal case, I'd figure he be the type that thought he wanted to since he didn't. If he really wanted to, he would have. Lord knows he had plenty of time to do it. I think it became clear this wasn't going to end well and the easier option is to put yourself in a position where they have to shoot you. It is far easier than actually doing it yourself.
Fortunately or unfortunately, depending on how you want to look at it, our LEO's swear to protect. Protect even means protecting a suicidal person from themself. Given this guy's current medical condition in an induced coma, it may be some time before we have more answers. Now we have to hope he doesn't die or wakes up with no memory of it otherwise we might not ever get the full story. And yes it is very common for trauma victims to lose their short term memory preceeding an event.
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Post by Ralph on Jun 11, 2011 3:19:42 GMT -5
They should have shot him more.
If he doesn't wake up it will be no great loss, if he does.......they can always shoot him again.
Sorry......just saying. I've been over a few hills and dales I would rather not cross again. Seen too many fall that should never have fallen and those that should, have simply walked away.
Need "one for the Gipper" I guess, if for no other reason than to balance the scales.
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Post by firstamendment on Jun 11, 2011 10:22:27 GMT -5
Between this case and the Adam Theall case, it doesn't show much accuracy with firearms with law enforcement. Theall I believe was shot 14 times after shooting his infant son. Patterson was shot several times as well. Are these cops armed with rubber bullets or is it they can't hit the broad side of a barn?
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Want to congratulate Mrs. Wyman on the birth of her baby girl. Am so happy that both mom and baby are doing well. I know it's a bitter-sweet time for her, but I know as a mother when her little girl was placed in her arms for the first time, and she looked at that little face, the love she felt gave her some peace. God bless them both and always watch over them. I know they have a special angel that will. 
