Arcuri's flip flop

[Clipper]

haha. I worked civil service for the Air Force for 20+ years. I think that they are taught in boot camp that every other word is supposed to start with and F.

[Swimmy]

every other word is supposed to start with an F?! As in flak?

[Clipper]

Exactly Swimmy. I am sure that is the intent, but it somehow went astray, and one word became the predominant player. It wasn't flak, foot :)soldier or freedom either.

[Clipper]

On the subject of Arcuri's Flip Flop, I have to think he voted appropriately and with the majority of area voter's wishes. There is another informal poll on the UDN homepage this morning, and it shows that the "NO" vote was favored by approximately a 60-40 split. 60% of those polled locally think Arcuri voted correctly. It is but one local poll, the numbers are small, but the indication is evident that MOST didn't approve of the bill.

[stoney]

Obama made his desire for healthcare known while he was campaigning, & he won the vote. So some people are obviously in favor of it & they were the majority during the election.

[Clipper]

Uhhhh, Okay. I gotta admit that it is that kind of around robin hood's barn sort of thinking and some strange logic that is used in order to come to a conclusion that favors your cause, is what totally explains how this man got elected. I have to express serious concern if that is the only defense that one can find to justify that position.

What you are saying is that "some people" were in favor of health care reform, which by the way was only ONE of many issues he addressed in his campaign, and that it was that ONE ISSUE that got him elected?

With the economic issues, and the war, and the anti Bush thing going on, I find it ridiculous to claim that his view on health care carried him to the White House Stoney, or that it was even the most important issue in the campaign.

Withdrawal from Iraq, and the economy were his cornerstone issues during his campaign. That is what is so damned disgusting about his rush to push the HC debate and initiative instead of job creation and economic stimulus. By the time he is through, the whole damned country will be unemployed and on Medicaide, so his health insurance regulation won't be crap to a totally welfare dependent and unemployed population.

[stoney]

I didn't say that. When a person campaigns he usually makes his views known. People either vote for or against another based on those views. So every time I hear someone say, "MOST people are not in favor of healthcare reform", I remind them that most voters voted to elect Obama, & he said right along he wanted to reform health care.

[dgriffin]

You're both right. Everyone IS in favor of health care reform, just not this package. The majority did vote for Obama, and I'm sure many did so because he said he would Change things and usher in new health care legislation. But he would not be President today if he had laid out the plan that just passed Congress.

Of course that's unfair, because even Obama would not have wanted it as the ideal.

It turns out that what the American people want is health care they can afford, and to deal with an insurer who won't bounce them, won't cheat them. They would like access to health care for everyone, if possible, and a simplified method to get and pay for it.

Therefore, what they really want is a delivery system that is at least somewhat socialized, but they are unwilling to call it by it's real name.

When it comes to health care, good old American competition and the capitalist system don't seem to be working to the advantage of the American public.

If someone comes up with and implements a private system that accomplishes what has been done by socialized medicine in other countries, but without the known disadvantages, they'll get rich overnight. But arithmetic tells me no system will be affordable without rationing, call it what you will.

[stoney]

Things can always be tweaked. People were against SS, desegregation, & Medicare when they were 1st proposed, too.

[dgriffin]

We probably should have started with tweaks.

[Swimmy]

How many times have you seen something tweaked AFTER it became law? Hell, it took two US Supreme Court decisions before desegregation occurred. Oddly enough, many liberals in academia call the second one the wrong one. In any case, the majority of people are for ealthcare reform, just not this law. Arcuri voted properly,, and a laugh at larry as he blindly plays partisan politics instead. Obama bought the vote for this law, nothing more. People voted for obama because he claimed he stood for change, but they had no idea this was the change he meant. If they bothered to do any research instead of blindly voting party lines, they might have, but America has become too stupid to do something like that.

[corner]

in the liberals zeal to have the first black president they blindly followed this guy and didnt care that he has no clue, noo experience in anything other than organizing the "hood" barbeque and that his leanings were extremely socialistic...he dicatates what he wants refuses to follow the advise of his cabinet and now is on an appointment rampage while the senate is in recess apointing folks that both parties vetted and said no to.

[Clipper]

What can I say. I can't add much to what Corner and Swimmy have already said. Right on guys.