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Post by bobbbiez on Nov 9, 2009 11:12:03 GMT -5
 Sounds good to me! ;D
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Post by wcup102 on Nov 9, 2009 15:32:47 GMT -5
For what it's worth, I know a person that lives near Donna Vitagliano and has seen Firoini coming and going there quite often. I think that issue is settled in my mind, now how does it play into the lease deal? If there is some underhanded dealing going on then they should be exposed for what they are and be dealt with. Officials need to stop the "Yeah but he....yeah but she..." fingerpointing. This is not a playground.
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Post by tanouryjr on Nov 10, 2009 0:50:37 GMT -5
Once again, the taxpayers aren't paying for anything right now. A disbarred attorney sent a letter with false allegations that became front page news. In my case, I was alledged to have blackmailed someone. I want my name cleared. If these charges can't be proved by Hendricks and Barry, then the filing of the letter is a crime. That's called Justice.
As for me ever trying to get the media to report on any alledged affair. NOT TRUE. At the time of the lease, I simply asked the Chairman to abstain because of his friendship. I have never said "affair." Everyone can make their own conclusions, but I wouldn't claim something unless I could PROVE it. And even then, I wouldn't get personal unless it effected the taxpayers. This lease was in effect while Paul was still alive. I disagreed with it and still do, but I don't think it had anything to do with any friendship with the Chairman. That's why we stuck to the issue of the lease at the time. I have the tapes from the meetings and of all the debates. Never did anyone mention any affair. This was an attempt by Barry, who was fired from his county job before I ever even became a legislator, to overthrow the Chairman. It backfired. This whole thing has been blown way out of proportion due to a couple of scorned and unstable individuals.
As for the recount/recanvass and counting of the absentee ballots, it will take place at 10am tomorrow. We are confident we will win, but either way, I'm proud of my service. I'm proud of my supporters and proud that I can look myself in the mirror no matter what. We stuck to our principles and message for two years. I could have walked in and played go along to get along, but I decided I would actually fight to make a real change. I have no regrets.
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Post by Ralph on Nov 10, 2009 2:11:55 GMT -5
It will indeed be interesting to see how all this BS plays out. Larry, Win or lose, you have done a great service to your constituents simply by opening their eyes and fighting for what you believed in was the right thing. You have done nothing that I wouldn't had done had I been there myself, and absolutely nothing to ever regret. I am hoping you will prevail when the votes are recounted, but if not....then it will be the voters loss and they will have to be happy with what they get. Hopefully I will get to look forward to another two years of your dedication to our district. Either way......you have done alright in my book and you and your family should be proud of the time you have spent and the way you conducted yourself during your tenure. I know that I am.  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2009 5:26:35 GMT -5
Larry, good luck with the recount. And I hope you can clear your name. I have a feeling that the whole issue of the lease will be swepped under the rug. The whole deal was a charade from the get go. O.C. govt. is corrupt & nothing is going to change that until the voters wise up. Bob Barry may be a disbarred attorney, but what does that have to do with a sweet heartdeal that the county got itself into? Bob Barry didn't negotiate this lease, Picente & the legistlature did. I find it interesting how the news media keeps bringing up the fact that Barry was disbarred. The spin merchants are hard at work & a cover up is in the works. If the news media had done it's job to begin with instead of being a mouthpiece for local politicians, maybe the taxpayers wouldn't be stuck with a $1 multi year lease, orchestrated by the good 'ol boys club which runs O.C. By the way, I mentioned how nothing will change until the voters wise up. Won't happen. Which is evident by you're having to go thru a recount.
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Post by rodwilson on Nov 10, 2009 17:40:41 GMT -5
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Post by lovinglife on Nov 11, 2009 8:03:32 GMT -5
I am one of those that smelled dead fish when the Ole Petterson allegations came to light. I still think that there was a conspiracy on the part of Insight House, and at the county level that cooked up the allegations and railroaded that dedicated man into jail. Ole was in the addiction recovery "business" because he is a compassionate and caring man, with a heart as big as all outdoors. If the rumors and allegations of wrong doing by the county and Insight House management are true, it is disgusting how many sick and addicted people are being hurt by the elimination of the services provided by Ole's people. If he was railroaded by those in positions of power at the county level, THAT is really a sad testament to the quality of politics in the area. It is a fact that Dwyer recused himself from the case because his law clerk, Carl DelBuono, not only sits on the board at Insight House, but wrote negative letters to Fiorini concerning CAR. It is also a fact that Carl DelBuono couldn't keep himself away from the courtroom that Ole was in, and peeked in constantly - and was seen and overheard talking to the press about Ole. There are so many other things that I just don't feel at liberty to put here - just sharing what was already in the news and observed in public at the trial. Whatever this is and was about, I believe it will all come to light one day. Maybe on a day when those involved least expect it. The light will come on, the cockroaches will try to hide, but there will be nowhere to run. I believe that true justice will prevail in the end. So the stuff with Insight House and Fiorini, and all the good ol' boys - how about Donna's thank you gift for Picente - and even if it is just a close friendship with Fiorini, that is still a problem - all that stuff - I believe there is something to it. What goes on between people is not my business, but when it effects the whole community, that's a big issue. How many people put out of work at CAR? How many drug addicts back on the street, ripped away from their counselors and treatment? How many back in jail? How about a family that was torn apart - a wife left to figure out how to pay legal bills, hold onto her home, and a little girl who chose to forgo the father/daughter dance rather than go with a replaceent? I am told her "Daddy Ole" read to her every single night. She cries for him, and misses him terribly. Donalty was quoted in the paper recently, concerning the loss of his son, that he doesn't want to see other families suffer as his own family has. What about the Pettersens? He did not have to send Ole to prison. He chose to ignore the probation officer's report which recommended no jail time - which, I was told, 999 times out of 1000 the judge goes with the probation officer's report's recommendation - say nothing of the dozens of letters received, written by people pleading for no jail time - speaking of hardship, and a little girl, and all of Ole's work in the community. People in high positions said "Don't worry, nobody gets jail time for an E-Felony. That Donalty gave this man jail time is just one more thing that spells corruption in this whole scheme. The whole situation screams "Injustice." That's the price. What was done to others because of greed is horrific, and I hope and pray it is exposed one day. Larry Tanoury Jr.? No way - there was no blackmail - I don't believe it for a minute. Affair? I've heard things, but even a car parked out at someones house is not exactly proof of such. But even a friendship, with a sweetheart deal like Insight House has, is an issue. And I think I've now repeated that. Don't mean to be redundant. I hope it is all investigated outside of the state - no AG for this one. Our DA is useless here - friends with everybody involved. |
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Post by Swimmy on Nov 11, 2009 9:09:10 GMT -5
If I recall correctly, dwyer recused himself only after he made sure donalty would honor his decisions and the trial calendar, both of which hurt the defendant. And dwyer only did that after mounting public pressure to concede that he had a textbook conflict of interest.
You are right, typically, the judge will almost always follow probation's recommendations. It is a rare time when the judge will forgo the probation report and usually when the judge perceives that the defendant lied, e.g. denied committing the crime after admitting to it in court. I'm not suggesting anything; just confirming that you were provided with accurate information.
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Post by lovinglife on Nov 11, 2009 9:40:29 GMT -5
If I recall correctly, dwyer recused himself only after he made sure donalty would honor his decisions and the trial calendar, both of which hurt the defendant. And dwyer only did that after mounting public pressure to concede that he had a textbook conflict of interest. You are right, typically, the judge will almost always follow probation's recommendations. It is a rare time when the judge will forgo the probation report and usually when the judge perceives that the defendant lied, e.g. denied committing the crime after admitting to it in court. I'm not suggesting anything; just confirming that you were provided with accurate information. Yes, and it was clear that this decision had been made ahead of time. Absolutely glowing probation report, after the probation officer requested more time to do a very thorough investigation. Ole Pettersen has always maintained his innocence. The "false instrument" was nothing more than an internal note - addendum - in a file. Had nothing to do with billing. The e-felony conviction will be appealed. Everyone who has looked at the situation with discretion rather than agenda has been able to see it for what it was. Thx for your input. |
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Post by Clipper on Nov 11, 2009 11:39:03 GMT -5
Happier days are coming Lovinglife. Very sad that Ole has to do the time prescribed by Donalty, but the sun will shine again, and he will be back with his family and friends.
Appealing the felony conviction will prove that he was innocent, and that he WAS railroaded. That whole scenario will restore Ole's reputation, and shine the light into the dark, stinking corner of county politics at it's worst.
It is scarey to think that one can bring the powers of evil down on one's self for no reason at all, other than being the competition for one of the chosen few, that has been heavily invested in by YOUR government officials. Powers of evil that simply were inclined to protect their misdirected investment and to protect a monopoly in a business which can NEVER have too many participants.
It is sad that politics has played with the wellbeing and lives of many addicted souls that were left in the cold when CAR was closed, either scrambling to find another program, or left to return to the streets and to their drug of choice out of pure desperation.
Sadly, those that brought about the whole deal, were not worried about the underlying fact that they were playing their crooked little money games with not only YOUR tax dollars, but also with the LIVES of addicted people who were deprived of a wonderful program at CAR.
For those of us that know Ole and know the whole story, there will be that day of happiness for Ole and his family, when he is released, and eventually, the conviction is reversed, clearing his name.
When that day comes, those that took part in the conspiracy to ruin him will never be able to wash the stink from their hands. They will be exposed for their wrong doing, and Ole will have the satisfaction of showing the world that there WAS wrongdoing at high levels of Oneida County government, including the courts, and that he was wrongfully convicted and was not guilty of the charges he was convicted for.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2009 19:22:44 GMT -5
I hope you're right Clipper & that someday justice prevails. Personally, I don't see it happening. I knew something didn't smell right when Picente hurried up to sign the lease agreement before the legistaltors that questioned the deal could do anything about it. If the deal was on the up & up, Picente wouldn't have been in such a hurry. Hopefully, some day the truth will come out, but I seroiusly doubt it.
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Post by lovinglife on Nov 12, 2009 7:36:51 GMT -5
When that day comes, those that took part in the conspiracy to ruin him will never be able to wash the stink from their hands. All very encouraging - but had to say, if that day never came, there are enough people who know the truth RIGHT NOW, that the stench is overwhelming. They are all pretending to do something legitimate, and a growing number knows it is all a sham, without much help from the local media. Blogs like this one, and Strikeslip's Faultlines, and the Concerned Citizens of New Hartford, etc. are exposing the corrupt and holding them accountable. This not only makes them look bad, but makes the local media look bad as well for not exposing the truth. Though I must say, they did step up recently with the Vitagliano gift to Picente article. More of the same would be good, but even without it, word is getting out and the truth is known. The fact that the probation officer's report suggested no jail time didn't impact a great deal of the people who didn't understand the legal implications, but those in the system know, and could see easily, that there was something very crooked in the judge's decision. I know of people who work in the courthouse who had some respect for the judge, now questioning him. What they did to Ole Pettersen is a stain on them all, and more obvious to many than they would like to think. I like Psalm 94, where it says that God does see what they are doing. I have no doubt that this is true. 3 O LORD, how long shall the wicked, how long shall the wicked exult? 4 They pour out their arrogant words; all the evildoers boast. 5 They crush your people, O LORD, and afflict your heritage. 6 They kill the widow and the sojourner, and murder the fatherless; 7 and they say, "The LORD does not see; the God of Jacob does not perceive." 8 Understand, O dullest of the people! Fools, when will you be wise? 9 He who planted the ear, does he not hear? He who formed the eye, does he not see? That old song "From a Distance" -- "God is watching us, God is watching us, God is watching us, from a distance ..." ... well I do believe He is watching, but I don't think it is from a distance. Let them plot and laugh at their own schemes. Their day will come. |
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Post by Clipper on Nov 13, 2009 12:53:05 GMT -5
I guess most know that I am not a "religious" man, but I do have a deep faith in my God.
The 94th psalm speaks volumes, and yes, there IS a God, and he IS watching. While there may not be a "hell",there will be rewards for those that are good, such as Ole Pettersen, and for those evil doers, there WILL be a time of accountability.
I hope to live out my days on the side of those that will receive their rewards, and not those that have selfishly walked over the feelings and lives of others for personal gain.
If God could only have one rule by which we should live our lives, it would be the Golden Rule, and all would treat their fellow man with the love and respect that they would want to be treated with.
Just think what a world it would be without racism, religious conflicts, or political corruption and opposition.
Ole Pettersen is a brave and good man that is sitting in a correctional facility, for no other reason than the fact that his sincere desire to do no more than save the lives of those that are hurting, didn't jive with the agenda of those that are involved in the Insight House debacle.
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Post by lovinglife on Nov 16, 2009 8:13:23 GMT -5
I guess most know that I am not a "religious" man, but I do have a deep faith in my God. The 94th psalm speaks volumes, and yes, there IS a God, and he IS watching. While there may not be a "hell",there will be rewards for those that are good, such as Ole Pettersen, and for those evil doers, there WILL be a time of accountability. I hope to live out my days on the side of those that will receive their rewards, and not those that have selfishly walked over the feelings and lives of others for personal gain. If God could only have one rule by which we should live our lives, it would be the Golden Rule, and all would treat their fellow man with the love and respect that they would want to be treated with. Just think what a world it would be without racism, religious conflicts, or political corruption and opposition. Ole Pettersen is a brave and good man that is sitting in a correctional facility, for no other reason than the fact that his sincere desire to do no more than save the lives of those that are hurting, didn't jive with the agenda of those that are involved in the Insight House debacle. You are right Clipper, about the Golden Rule. "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" (Luke 6:31) is married to Matthew 22:37-39 which states that all of the law of the prophets hang on these two laws: To love God with all our heart, soul, and mind - and to love our neighbor as ourself. If we do but these two things, we cannot help but obey the rest. Of course, we all fall short in one way or another. Thus the "All have sinned" (all but One - Jesus Himself). As to hell, I've never counted the verses myself, but have read several places that Jesus spoke of hell more than He spoke of heaven. That would make sense, if such a place were real, that he would want to warn us about it - when you love someone, you warn them of danger. I've also heard teaching (though I am not sure what I think of it) that hell is not a literal burning fire, but a fire worse - the absense of God. That God will not force those to be with Him, who have shown Him their whole lives that they want nothing to do with Him. They are filled with greed, lust, their own desires. For the Christian our works simply match our faith in Christ - because if our works could get us to heaven, then Christ did not need to die on the cross. If our works got us to heaven, then His blood shed for our sin was not needed, and when He prayed in the garden to have "this cup" removed if possible, perhaps God would have "removed the cup." But He went willingly to the cross because He knew it was the only way to pay our sin debt. Salvation is a gift. When He said "It is finished" it meant "Paid in full." That is what "It is finished" meant to those listening - that was the term used to pay off a debt. We can never earn heaven. But our works - when done because of what He has done for us - is a natural outworking of our lives, because we are His. We do it not to earn, but simply because we are His. And the bible does speak of rewards - I agree with you. I'm glad you're not a "religious man." Religiousity usually does not have anything real attached. True religion as stated in the bible is to care of the widows and orphans, and keep oneself unstained by the world. But that is not usually what one thinks of when one hears the term "religious." Now, if I receive rewards, and still must dwell with those who seek to kill, steal, and destroy - then that won't be heaven to me. I do believe they will be absent, and that they won't be having a party with their friends. I believe they will be entirely alone, and entirely outside of anything that has to do with God, because that is what they chose when they were here. And there won't be a second chance. They have already actually had chance after chance after chance here on earth, and keep choosing the same thing. Greed. Here on earth, the rain falls on the just and the unjust. Those outside of God have no idea how much of their life is good because of God. A walk on a sunny day, the love of a spouse or a child, a sunset, a warm breeze. Humor. Love. Joy. Friends. There will be none of that outside of God. That is why hell is spoken of as a place where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Where the worm never dies. No more choices. Eternal life with whatever choice we have made. Smoking or non-smoking, so to speak. People think hell is only for Hitler and the like. I believe it is for any who have said "I don't want God." God is sorry about that, and He paid the highest price to have everyone there (John 3:16) but He is a gentleman, and won't force Himself on anybody. We are also told to not only love our friends, but our enemies as well. That seems tough, but truly, I would love nothing more than to have all who have hurt so many people in this - what they have done to Ole Pettersen (the damage is astronomical, and cannot be counted) - choose to come over to the other side. I don't mind sharing heaven with them if their hearts were changed. I also know that if their hearts were changed, they would be truly sorry for all they have done - they would feel the pain they have caused. Maybe that is why people so hesitate to come - they can't face all the damage they've done - but God wipes away every tear and brings healing and restoration. I know - I've hurt people in my life. There is nothing more painful than realizing that truth, and facing up to it. But God does forgive, and He heals and restores. |
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Post by lovinglife on Nov 16, 2009 8:22:22 GMT -5
Sorry for the book  ... I get on a roll sometimes. |
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Sounds good to me! ;D
