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Post by bobbbiez on Oct 30, 2009 20:37:34 GMT -5
 oh God, I really hate doing this but I do AGREE with you Clipper and I second Snicker's, "Bravo! Well put!"  ps: and ya didn't write a book to get your points across rather well. 
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Post by Clipper on Oct 30, 2009 22:15:43 GMT -5
Yeah, that is the shortened "online" edition. I am still working on the hardback book edition.
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Post by chris on Oct 31, 2009 7:06:41 GMT -5
Well this is a new one for me. Last week when I was getting an ultrasound a lady in the waiting room asked me if I knew where to get a flu shot. She was asking for her mother. She said she went to all the drug stores and they were out. She told me her Dr "didn't" give flu shots which was a new one for me. I thought all Dr's gave out flu shots. A few days later I am in Rite Aid and I saw a table of nurses set up for flu shots cleaning up. The point is there are flu shots just that some may have run out and the media hype is causing a lot of panic. There are many people that never get a flu shot and they did not get sick either. The flu shot does not prevent the flu. I still think this is a designed agenda of the powers that be...government and pharmaceuticals.
When I was still working at the nursing agency we had lots of left over flu shots that were never used and had to be disposed of. I think that year they said there was a shortage too.
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Post by Clipper on Oct 31, 2009 11:54:30 GMT -5
Uh, I am confused by your statement that the flu shot doesn't prevent the flu. I am under the impression that if given the vaccine in time, your body builds antibodies against the strain of flu for which the vaccine was made.
Is the statement just an opinion that you happen to support Chris, or is there substantiated documentation to support it? That idea certainly blows me away. What a ripoff if there is no such thing as an effective flu vaccine.
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Post by bobbbiez on Oct 31, 2009 12:36:45 GMT -5
Clipper, Chris is right. From what I was taught throughout my years of nursing, any flu shot does NOT prevent you from getting the flu. It just gives you an extra soldier to fight and ease the symptoms of the illness.
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Post by Clipper on Oct 31, 2009 13:07:57 GMT -5
Cool! have they developed a Bobbbiez vaccine yet?  ;D I still have to think that if you build immunity by developing antibodies, it would keep you from contracting the flu. I guess if one wants to be realistic, you would still take in the virus, but it would be killed immediately, with NO symptoms. I haven't had the flu in a long time, and I always get the shot. Of course, saying that, I will probably get the flu tommorrow, haha. Spending several nights a week, either bowling or watching Kathy bowl, with about 200 people at a bowling alley kinda increases my risk.  |
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Post by bobbbiez on Oct 31, 2009 14:54:49 GMT -5
That's one fact ya got right. Avoiding groups of people does narrow your risk of contacting any sickness at this time. It is a good practice for the elderly whose resistance is low. ;D
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Post by bobbbiez on Oct 31, 2009 14:58:21 GMT -5
Cool! have they developed a Bobbbiez vaccine yet? ;D Nope, your stuck with me for 365 days, in flu season and not.  ;D "Can't touch me!" |
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Post by chris on Oct 31, 2009 15:13:49 GMT -5
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Post by Clipper on Oct 31, 2009 16:30:33 GMT -5
I understand now. Thanks gals for the clarification. Geez though. I sure wish they had a bobbbiez vaccine. The titanium cup eases the pain but doesn't prevent the cause of it. I can use all the "extra soldiers" I can recruit. She is a tough little bugger. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2009 4:41:26 GMT -5
Getting immunized does help to prevent one from getting the flu, if you are exposed to the strain that is making the rounds in a particular season. For instance, if a person last year was exposed to the strain that was making people sick, you wont contract that strain again because your body has built up antibodies to kill it. That's why flu shots every year change. The virus mutates from year to year. Did you know that if you were born before 1950 that you have less of a chance of getting swine flu? That's because people in that age group have built in immunity from a flu strain that was making the rounds in the early part of the last century. The current virus is similiar, so those people have antibodies in their system to help ward it off. Me, I got my flu shot. Last year I ended up with bronchitis, & it took me nearly 2 weeks to recover. I said to hell with the shot, & I paid the price for it. Telling people that getting the flu shot does not prevent one form getting the flu is just plain assinine, & goes against advice given by doctors worldwide, not to mention the CDC & other experts in the medical field.
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Post by dgriffin on Nov 1, 2009 8:18:16 GMT -5
Chris, I have never heard that from any credible source, and such a story would almost have to get out. Still, it's frustrating watching the myriad of different flu's make their way through the population each year. Maybe we're now over sensitized to the phenomenum, because science has named each individual flu and the media hypes it up to "sell papers." I think it was less troublesome years ago when people just got sick. No R2D2 virus, just got sick. Kracker is right, I think. My experience is that a flu shot each year has prevented me from contracting most flu's. The only other thing you might do is avoid a mudfight. Hahahaha!  |
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Post by bobbbiez on Nov 1, 2009 11:28:14 GMT -5
Kracker, I hate to burst your bubble but in my many years of nursing I have never heard a doctor tell their patients that by getting the flu shot they are safe from getting the flu. They will tell their patients that if they do get the flu shot and contact the flu the symptoms will be milder. There is no guarantee by getting the flu shot that you will be safe from the virus and that's any strain of the flu bug and that's mainly because every year there are far too many strains to keep up with. From what I have always understood the flu shot IS 70%-90% effective in preventing the flu in "healthy" adults but if you're 65 yrs and over and in young children the vaccine is less likely to prevent the flu. So where is the guarantee by getting the vaccine you won't get the flu. It is "asinine" to tell people or believe you are totally immuned to the virus just by getting the shots.
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Post by Clipper on Nov 1, 2009 11:36:41 GMT -5
How the hell have we wandered so far into flu shots on a thread that is about revitalizing Utica? LOL Welcome to Clipper's Corner I guess. Give it up Kracker. WE had our shots and we will see how it turns out, but to argue with Sunshine is a futile effort. Haha. She simply hasn't reported her findings to the CDC yet. Sunshine, opinion and documented fact are two different things. Doctors and the CDC would not be promoting the shot if it were bogus and ineffective. I will go with the documented facts and research findings from years and years of experimentation and development. Just a quick question. Did they HAVE flu shots when you and Florence Nightingale were wandering the wards with an oil lamp?   ;D |
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Post by bobbbiez on Nov 1, 2009 11:56:41 GMT -5
One more personal note. I am 65 yrs old myself and was born before 1950 (1943) and I have contacted the flu numerous times throughout my years and that's with me getting the flu shots every single year. Added precaution, I also receive the pneumonia shot every five years because I am susceptible to bronchitis which most often brings on pneumonia. Must state, that since I have retired and no longer work in a hospital setting and I stay at home more during the flu season my bouts every year with the flu has lessen.
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oh God, I really hate doing this but I do AGREE with you Clipper and I second Snicker's, "Bravo! Well put!" 
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