Old Views

[fiona]

That map shows that that was a house owned by A J Williams. Look at the drive way, its totally different and the surrounding land, as well as the out building in the back. What is that to the left in the post card? A church?

[dgriffin]

Apr 11, 2010 20:15:14 GMT -5 jon hynes said:

Apr 11, 2010 18:55:41 GMT -5 @dgriffin said:

When I see the picture, I always think I remember it from the 1950's. On the southeast corner. Here is the building (or its predecessor) on the 1881 map. Funny it's not labeled. Either it's a previous building or military installations were not marked for security reasons. (?) The outline on the map seems to roughly map to the building's shape.

The Map you are using is from 1883. The Armory wasn't built until 1894.

Aha!

[jon hynes]

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The Winston Skate 1883

[WestmoGuy]

Apr 11, 2010 22:48:27 GMT -5 jon hynes said:

Was the State Fair when it was in Utica,
always at where Price Chopper is now in South Utica?

[WestmoGuy]

I miss this building. The Saturday Globe.

I was in there a lot before it was demolished. Such a great building
that someone coulda saved probably.





Someone I know sold the Paper Boy that was up on the top of the face of the building.

[jon hynes]

Apr 12, 2010 15:57:34 GMT -5 WestmoGuy said:

Was the State Fair when it was in Utica,
always at where Price Chopper is now in South Utica?

Utica's first horse drawn streetcar line began operation Sept. 14th, 1863 - on the opening day of the 1863 New York State Fair in Utica. It ran along Genesee Street from Broad Street to south to slightly beyond the old Orphan Asylum. The line was constructed to provide convenient transportation to the New York State Fair Grounds located near where the West Shore Railroad crossed Genesee Street (near today's Uptown Theater). The first car to make the run left Broad Street at 2 p.m. and was drawn by 16 horses. With that run, Utica became the fifth city in the U.S. with a streetcar line. The first electric streetcars began regular trips on march 17, 1890. A trial trip for electric streetcars was made at midnight March 10, 1890, from Utica to Whitesboro.

[dgriffin]

WestMo, the Globe was nationally famous for a couple of things. First was their early use of photos over wood cut graphics. They were doing half tones before 1900. Also, they had a peak circulation of around 200K, when you added up all their local editions from the Atlantic to the Pacific. That was a large paper back then.
But where was the building in the photo? I vaguely remember it, but where?

[dgriffin]

Here's an early electric trolley.

[WestmoGuy]

Apr 12, 2010 18:32:57 GMT -5 @dgriffin said:

WestMo, the Globe was nationally famous for a couple of things. First was their early use of photos over wood cut graphics. They were doing half tones before 1900. Also, they had a peak circulation of around 200K, when you added up all their local editions from the Atlantic to the Pacific. That was a large paper back then.
But where was the building in the photo? I vaguely remember it, but where?

Not sure if this link will work:
www.bing.com/maps/#JnE9eXAud2hpdGVzYm9ibytTdHJlZXQrVXRpY2ElMmMrTlklN2Vzc3QuMCU3ZXBnLjEmYmI9NDMuMTYzMzE4MTc2ODgwMiU3ZS03NS40NTA0OTQ2NzA1NDc1JTdlNDMuMTUyNjI3MzU1NDk3JTdlLTc1LjQ3MzczMzMyOTQ1MjY=

The link brings you left a bit. It's the BIG vacant lot next to the Baggs Sq. Bridge.

It was next to the Center Hotel Dave. On Division Street near the Baggs Square Bridge. I believe it was also John Butterfield's house attached the The Globe Bldg.

I went in many times to the Center Hotel when I worked for Kunkel. Beautiful old building. Some idiot set it on fire and I think the block came down late 90's or so.

[dgriffin]

Thanks, Westmo. Although the building looks slightly familiar, I don't remember being down there when I was a kid. Maybe we drove by .. my father often drove us around revisiting places from his fireman days.
Here's the area from the 1883 map, evidently before the Globe building was constructed.


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[dgriffin]

Here's another photo of the Globe building, with the old Armory on the bottom.