GUN CONTROL, Is this for real??

[Clipper]

It looks like congress and Obama's administration are trying to sail a bill through congress that will seriously affect the average gun owner, and assault our constitutional rights to bear arms. It is said that even gun dealers are unaware of this legislation, and it is flying under the radar. If this is for real, we need to contact our congressmen, and let them know that we do not want them impinging on our gun rights.

House Bill HR 45 is the number of the bill. Blair Holt Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009 is the title of the Act.

You can read the entire bill as proposed at www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h45/text

I don't know about the rest of you, but I am firing off an email to my congressman TODAY, to be followed by a printed letter.

[dgriffin]

Interesting article and summary of the Bill here:

sports.espn.go.com/espn/print?id=3899236&type=story

Some quotes from above:

This bill is sweeping in its gun control proposals. Its summary description reads, "To provide for the implementation of a system for licensing for purchasers of certain firearms and for a record of sale system for those firearms, and for other purposes."

If enacted, this bill would prohibit anyone from owning any type of handgun without obtaining a license for such ownership. The same would be true for any semiautomatic firearm that can accept any detachable ammunition-feeding device.

Further, all sales of these firearms would have to go through a licensed dealer. The bill also directs the Attorney General to establish and run a federal record-of-sale system. And it would make it a criminal act not to register as an owner of a firearm.

End of quote.


Here in NY State, we already need a permit for a handgun. I don't own a semi-automatic rifle, but I don't believe any permit is currently required to possess one.

One last quote:

"This bill validates the concerns of sportsmen and gun owners about what the new congress and administration portend for Second Amendment rights," says Lawrence G. Keane, Senior Vice-President/General Counsel for the National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF).
Keane continues, "The U.S. Supreme Court definitively said in District of Columbia vs. Heller (2008) that the Second Amendment provides individual civil rights to law-abiding Americans to keep and bear arms. (They don't have to be in a militia to own and keep guns.) This bill, however, would treat those citizens who exercise their civil liberties like criminals."

[concerned]

can we own tazers. I want one so badly. I have a poison dart gun now I need some of those poison frogs.

[Clipper]

Not only semi auto weapons Dave, but any weapon that is "clip fed". Hell that covers even my most innocent nylon stock marlin 22, two of my shotguns, and many other weapons that are used by hunters.

I can see controls on assault weapons that can be automatic with minor mods, and I can see handgun permits, as we have lived with those for years. I can even see some sort of control of the flow of guns from gun shows. But no matter what laws they enact, the only ones affected will be the legitimate citizens. The criminals will have the weapons no matter what laws are enacted, and we will be hindered in our ability to own a weapon to combat them and protect ourselves.

All this sh*t basically started when John Hinckley wounded Ronald Reagan, and turned James Brady to a turnip. It was sad, but not something that should have ever brought about such an assault on our constitutional rights to bear arms. Virginia's gun laws need to be tightened, as do some other Southern State's, but we don't need to go overboard with federal laws and restrictions on our rights.

I am by no means radical or a militant, but I don't think I would hesitate to fight someone that showed up at my door to confiscate my weapons in the name of my "democratic" government.

[dgriffin]

I read it as any clip-fed semi, not any clip-fed period. I'll go back and read it again.

You know, I think it's inevitable, given the wind direction. People want safety and very few of us are out there shooting woodchucks any more. Sure, my friends and yours are still shooting and hunting, but we're a small minority. (I shoot, but haven't hunted in years.)

The male side of our society's equation is being emasculated. Ever since we gave women the vote.

(I know she's around ...... listening. Bzzzzzzzz)

[Clipper]

You could be correct Dave. I will also go back and read again. I have two bolt action shotguns left from years ago, a 20 guage and a 410, along with my 900XL 12 guage Ithaca with a slug barrel. That is semi auto tube feed, that holds 5 shots. I also have and M-1 Carbine, my 22 semi auto with a 9 shot clip, and a 30-06 bolt action with a clip.

I just think that weapons that can be converted easily to full auto, or assault weapons may warrant looking at, but to start restricting hunting weapons already in our gun cabinets is a serious problem.

[wcup102]

This is the reason I'm looking fot a 270 rifle as a private deal and not new. I don't want anyone knowing what I got.

[Clipper]

I actually don't give a damn who knows what weapons I have. I would fight to the legal finish to keep them, but if they were to become illegal I sure would not do a ruby ridge to hang on to them. I am too damn old to do that crap. LOL I would fight by any legal means and resist just simply turning them over, but I damn sure would not shoot anyone over guns that I am too damn crippled to hunt with as much as I did when I was younger. I now just go to the range, or out in the woods to shoot, and once in a great while I squirrel hunt, but I have not hunted for deer since leaving NY. You have to be part alpine sheep to hunt the ridges down here, haha.

I do like the security of having a couple of weapons at my disposal should some drug crazed asshole bust in the back door during the night. They would be given a choice of whether they want a big hole or a little hole, a 12 guage slug or a 30-30.

[Swimmy]

At some point, our reliance on the Courts to protect our 2d amendment rights will fail and the question will be whether you are willing to take up arms to defend what our government has chosen to violate for personal gain.

[Ralph]

"any semiautomatic firearm that can accept any detachable ammunition-feeding device."

This means any pistol that is clip fed, for most are all semi-automatic. Few people take that into consideration and think they are referring to Uzi's and such.
Any pistol (or long gun) that uses a clip (or other ammo storage device) and ejects a round from the chamber while loading another in its place is a semi-automatic weapon.

This includes semi-auto assault rifles (AK's, AR-15's, Uzi's, etc. ) as well as semi-auto target pistols that some use just for "plinking".

Same thing goes for the difference between dbl. action and single action revolvers. Most don't know the difference and/or the implications of owning one vs the other.

This is certainly going to be something that will put a crimp in legally obtaining a firearm for some folks, most won't want to go through the trouble and some will just go the other route which will put them directly behind the eight-ball no matter what they do with it.

Still.......I would rather be judged by twelve than carried by six.

[Clipper]

A younger and more macho me might take up arms against our government in some manner should the need arise, but I am too damned old and I have taken up arms to defend that country, and don't picture myself doing much but supporting the younger generation in their fight for my rights.

We can talk with indignation, but I just never see myself fighting against young soldiers of our own country or shooting at law enforcement. That would just be a lose/lose situation, period, not matter how much we disagree with laws passed.

Would I fight for my rights? Yes, in any LEGAL fashion and with my vote, but not with a gun. WE had one revolution many years ago, and split from England. God forbid we should ever have another.

[corner]

this is a dangerous bill next step is confiscation even worse is the package of feel good legislation passed by the nys assembly this week

[frankcor]

The second amendment isn't about hunting.

[wcup102]

I hear ya Clipper, maybe I'm gettin to anti gov't in my old age or i am just seeing things a little clearer even though my eyes are failin. LOL

[dgriffin]

May 2, 2009 16:41:29 GMT -5 frankcor said:

The second amendment isn't about hunting.

Rather, it might be about being hunted.