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Post by Clipper on Mar 6, 2009 1:48:00 GMT -5
Well Gear, ya know where I stand on that. I don't hope he gets off easy. I hope he is dealt with severely for his offenses. I simply don't think he should be dealt with unfairly, or overzealously, and I simply don't agree with anyone that thinks that his retirement should be a chip on the table when his hand is dealt.
I just read another article that is posted on the disgrace page, stating that there is a debate of officials and experts now, as to whether he had a right to drive off, because he wasn't under arrest. Well to be honest, I kind of imagine that if you or I did that, we would be cuffed and stuffed and our bail would be astronomical.
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Post by dgriffin on Mar 6, 2009 8:51:33 GMT -5
Isn't driving off called "resisting arrest" or "avoiding prosecution" or "failing to heed the lawful command of an officer" or a number of other things we'd be charged with?
But c'mon guys, these were two cops, possibly with a history, and Sullivan was not committing a felony.
Gear, I'm afraid you may be naive when it comes to what cops get away with.
I'm not playing the theoretician here, just looking at the practical side.
I'll bet Sullivan waives immunity and testifies before the grand jury, depending upon how he normally presents. That jury will WANT him to convince them he's a good guy who was only slightly over the line. He'll have a harder task now that the OD has practically published his credit card bills, marital flubs and bar fights.
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Post by lucy on Mar 6, 2009 9:23:48 GMT -5
That was something that I don't agree with we don't need to know his whole personal life yes everyone goes through something, martial problems well he didn't break the law, credit card bill well pretty much everyone has them. I'm in the process of getting rid of our bills. The only thing that he should be tried for is the DWI. Too bad someone can't write an article about Donna's son inperfections. I think that is her name. Gosh my head is a blank right now.
Any job anywhere shouldn't take away anyones retirement.
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Post by frankcor on Mar 6, 2009 10:36:53 GMT -5
I believe that if he resigns (rather than be fired), he can still qualify for retirement if he gets another state or local government job. Somebody correct me if that's wrong?
Also, if he resigns, history shows that DA McNamara will drop all charges and the investigation will come to a close.
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Post by lucy on Mar 6, 2009 10:46:06 GMT -5
Well Frank that is something I do agree with. Something like that happened to a corrections officer that I know he was able to resign keep the retirement, but the only thing different he was still charged with the crime.
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Post by lilbump1980 on Mar 6, 2009 11:44:11 GMT -5
Lucy you are 110% correct... Donna should have run an article like this on her son. It is not fair that she puts blame on others.. and their life story out there. but when it comes to family you never hear anything about the "trouble they get in
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Post by frankcor on Mar 6, 2009 11:55:18 GMT -5
Maybe the federal government should take over all newspapers? That way private interests won't be able to filter the news.
::snarf::
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Post by bobbbiez on Mar 6, 2009 13:08:32 GMT -5
 Ironically, while sitting here I heard on the Syracuse news some guy driving under the influence, lost control of his car, slammed his car into a house and took off.  Be very interesting to see what the newspapers print about him and if his personal life is revealed or if he makes the front page. Bet not.  Maybe I live in a different world, but I know this happens and happens much more often involving the common citizen. Many intoxicated have accidents and take off to avoid a DWI charge, but I have yet in all my years seen such coverage as this. 
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Post by gearofzanzibar on Mar 6, 2009 15:32:39 GMT -5
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Post by bobbbiez on Mar 6, 2009 15:50:12 GMT -5
Hey Gear, also having weapons in my home, police aren't going to enter my house unless they show me a warrant. Having an education or not, I'm so glad to see you haven't lost your ability to smile. ;D
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Post by dgriffin on Apr 10, 2009 5:57:29 GMT -5
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Post by Clipper on Apr 10, 2009 7:52:45 GMT -5
Well now. At least he will be tried now in accordance with law, and with a judge or a fair jury to adjudicate his guilt or innocence on each of the eight charges.
That is all one can hope for. A good lawyer, and his day in court, rather than being tried in the media, by "sh**house lawyers".
I would say that he is NOT going to "walk away" unpunished, as some silly people seem to think he might. That fact is more or less evident, seeing as there are eight charges listed in the indictment. I have to say that he better bend over and hold his ankles, because the reckoning day is near. Even with the long laundry list of charges presented, he has not yet been convicted. I am sure some of the charges will be found to be without merit, and some will be prosecuted to the fullest extent. A DA always lists a full laundry list of charges to insure that at least one will stick and bring justice. A good DA makes sure of that.
I will predict that this will cost Sullivan a lot of money, his career, and a lot of embarrasment, but he will be allowed to retire, and receive his pension. THAT is a State Police matter, and not to be decided by the grand jury.
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Post by frankcor on Apr 10, 2009 12:25:12 GMT -5
Are any of those charges misdemeanors? Most look like simple traffic violations meaning he'll pay a fine and that's it.
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Post by bobbbiez on Apr 10, 2009 12:43:27 GMT -5
We all know the man did wrong and I'm sure no matter what punishment he gets will be warranted, but I am positive the "headlines" are there only because he is a cop. After all, cop aren't human or do anything wrong. Give me a freakin break! They are "expected" to be super-humans more so because of their positions. Not only do they have to endure the dangers on the streets they protect for us but they also have to endure more then the private citizen could ever imagine and yet hold back normal human reactions when going on calls that leave their minds filled with the horrors they see on a daily basis. I am not condoning Sullivan's actions in any way but I am not that naive to realize that being human some will do wrong but many more cops are out there giving their all in their positions in patrolling the streets they guard for us. Where are their front page headlines?  ? My complaint is are the front page headlines about Sullivan necessary or warranted? For those who feel it is then justify to me why the story in a small article on the very next page to the continuing story of Sullivan, in the middle of the paper, did not make front page news. I guess, "3 Slain Pittsburg Officers Remembered as Heroes" should not be front page news. A few weeks ago I guess, "4 Slain Officers in CA Honored by the Community" didn't warrant front page headlines either. Personally I am sick and tired of hearing about Sullivan and I have called the Editor of the OD to strongly voice my opinion on what they feel is more important news. Excuse me for being so damn pi**ed but one cop's wrong doing, which consist of misdemeanors and violations, in no way should ever over-shine 7 cops who gave their all to protect and serve. 
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Post by dgriffin on Apr 10, 2009 13:43:05 GMT -5
Personally I am sick and tired of hearing about Sullivan and I have called the Editor of the OD to strongly voice my opinion on what they feel is more important news.( I don't get the OD, so I may be wrong, but for some reason I didn't think there was all that much coverage of the arrest after the first few days. Also, I'll disagree with you, Bobbbiez. (Is this the first time?) While I'll admit there is a fine line to be crossed when sensationalizing a news incident ... and I can't say for sure whether it has been done here ... I do believe that when a cop breaks the law he or she shouldn't be treated the same as an ordinary citizen. These are the guys and girls we pay to protect us and we expect their absolute adherence to the laws they enforce. Cops gone bad (and I'm not classifying Sullivan as such) are a danger to us all, because of the position they hold and the power to use it for bad reasons in some cases. So, in general, I'm in favor of holding cops to a higher standard, and when they mess up, to publicize it. Again, the news media can take that principle too far. How often have they published an article on the incident? A lot? I would think normal would be an article a day for the first three days, and then an article only when something really happened with the case, such as an arraignment, etc. |
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Ironically, while sitting here I heard on the Syracuse news some guy driving under the influence, lost control of his car, slammed his car into a house and took off. 
;D 
