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Post by bobbbiez on Apr 10, 2009 15:00:19 GMT -5
 Geez Dave, sorry to disagree with ya and it ain't the first time.  Sullivan's story has made front page headlines too many times since his arrest. If you really want him to be treated as the general public doing the same wrong then the OD should put his business in the police blotter column where all the rest are publicized. I have "never" see such front page headlines for anyone who is just charged with misdemeanors or violations, police or other wise. No where do I state I condone Sullivan's actions or do I feel he shouldn't be treated as anyone else with the same charges. That is my point exactly. He should be treated like anyone else. My argument is if the OD feels Sullivan's actions deserves front page headlines then so should all the good our officers do on a daily basis and have equal if not more front page coverage. Dave, I consider you a very intelligent man but in this topic I feel reality takes precedence. Your feeling that a cop should absolutely adhere to the laws they enforce and holding cops to a higher standard is what we all expect. I'm sure when these men and women take that oath they all have the intentions to do just that, but we also have to realize that these men and women are human and will make some wrong decisions and make mistakes in their careers. You are asking for perfection and that just doesn't take place in any line of work. In reality the only one I ever expected that from is God himself. It's time for the public to take the cop off this unrealistic pedestal that should be reserved for only the Man upstairs and start to look at the cop as someone who is trying very hard to do their jobs well for all of us and trying to live up to what we expect of them but also acknowledge them as being human. Please remember this referrs to all of us, "to err is to be human." 
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Post by gearofzanzibar on Apr 10, 2009 16:25:24 GMT -5
Just wait till the dash-cam footage becomes public. I expect that will generate some national news coverage, if what I've heard about the video is true.
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Post by Clipper on Apr 10, 2009 16:53:35 GMT -5
Hmm. I wonder if it will get on "Cops"? Now THAT would be embarrassing for both Olney and Sullivan, considering the fact that they can't stand each other. The discussion between them might only be fit for late night TV.
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Post by dgriffin on Apr 10, 2009 18:09:29 GMT -5
Dave, I consider you a very intelligent man but in this topic I feel reality takes precedence. Hahahaha! I'm going to have that inscribed on my tombstone! How do you know me so well, Bz?  But I think cops should be held to a higher standard. Here's where we're at opposite poles: "He should be treated like anyone else." Nope. I think a cop running from another officer in the manner he did, plus the other (unproven) actions, are the makings of a real news story. And as much as I feel for the guy, I don't blame the media for treating it as such. |
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Post by frankcor on Apr 10, 2009 19:38:12 GMT -5
WE WANT THE VIDEO!
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Post by bobbbiez on Apr 10, 2009 19:45:52 GMT -5
lol!!!!!!!! Hope none of us get to read that tombstone of yours for quite a while. The statement "he should be treated like anyone else" is not one I can take credit for and it do not originate from me. Actually, it's one I've read here, on other forums and the consensus of the general public concerning this kind of situation. I do not feel sorry for the guy. I feel he should be punished for his unacceptable actions but I don't feel the OD has to concentrate in such great detail, especially about his personal life, and constantly drag it out for every little thing concerning this case. Damn Dave, I read the paper and they don't even do that in the murder cases they report. Something wrong with that picture. As far as I'm concerned this kind of reporting is only aimed to tarnish the police in general or they would head line the good doings just as well.
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Post by dgriffin on Apr 10, 2009 21:11:03 GMT -5
Bz, I leave judgment of the OD's coverage to you, since you're reading the papers up there. If they're overdoing it, I think that's wrong. I don't know where a standard exists, however.
OK, Gear, what is rumored to be on the video? Wait! I know, I know! He whips it out and pisses on the arresting officer?
That's what I would have done.
When I was young and stupid.
But actually, I wasn't THAT stupid.
That's why I'm still here to write this drivel.
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Post by Disgusted-Daily on Apr 11, 2009 0:28:43 GMT -5
One more reason not to buy or read the OD.
I think it is funny that his lawyer states that his client's decision to drive away from the stop was proper because it was an attempt to avoid an escalating confrontation with the trooper who pulled him over. I wonder how well this will work for myself or anyone else. I also wonder why he was allowed to get back in his car to drive away and drive home, get out of his car and go into his house for 3-hours.
I don't think he should lose his job over this from the details released so far and agree with bobbbiez that this story has been beat to death.
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Post by gearofzanzibar on Apr 11, 2009 0:52:50 GMT -5
OK, Gear, what is rumored to be on the video? Wait! I know, I know! He whips it out and pisses on the arresting officer? Metaphorically, yes. |
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Post by dgriffin on Apr 11, 2009 6:02:34 GMT -5
One more reason not to buy or read the OD. I think it is funny that his lawyer states that his client's decision to drive away from the stop was proper because it was an attempt to avoid an escalating confrontation with the trooper who pulled him over. I wonder how well this will work for myself or anyone else. I also wonder why he was allowed to get back in his car to drive away and drive home, get out of his car and go into his house for 3-hours.I don't think he should lose his job over this from the details released so far and agree with bobbbiez that this story has been beat to death. I wondered the same, Todd. While I can imagine the possible scenarios, it doesn't speak well for the arresting trooper's ability to handle the arrest. |
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Post by bobbbiez on Apr 11, 2009 10:16:50 GMT -5
I'm sure according to all the reports, ( and there were plenty of them), Sullivan had a few too many and was not co-operating. First thing I learned being a bartender is not to argue with someone who is intoxicated. If you choose to argue the situation will definitely escalate. Personally, I feel the arresting trooper handled this in the best way possible by allowing his superiors handle the situation. Also being brothers in blue(grey) and knowing each other I can imagine it is not an easy task for the arresting trooper. I always wondered if my boys had to make a decision to arrest me, what would they do? Remember, we are talking about a misdemeanor and violations which usually consist of a slap on the wrist or a fine. I'm not defending the situation and Sullivan was completely wrong in his actions, but I sure as hell know it was a tough one for all involved.
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Post by corner on Apr 11, 2009 19:25:20 GMT -5
anybody else being dwi and uncooperative would have ended up with a face full of car hood one has to assume that Sullivan was armed contributing to the apprehension on Olney;s part
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Post by bobbbiez on Apr 11, 2009 22:52:57 GMT -5
Come on Corner, keep it real. I'm sure you know as well as I know there have been plenty of people who were given breaks when stopped for the same reason. Especially when the DWI laws weren't as harsh as they are today.  Being a former bartender I can attest to that as fact.
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Post by frankcor on Apr 12, 2009 1:30:12 GMT -5
I suspect that if one of your boys was ever in the position of having to arrest you, Bobbbiez, that they're smart enough to taser you first.
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Post by bobbbiez on Apr 12, 2009 9:37:15 GMT -5
Nope, they're worried about me short-circuiting it. ;D Damn things are expensive ya know.
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Geez Dave, sorry to disagree with ya and it ain't the first time. 
Sullivan's story has made front page headlines too many times since his arrest. If you really want him to be treated as the general public doing the same wrong then the OD should put his business in the police blotter column where all the rest are publicized. I have "never" see such front page headlines for anyone who is just charged with misdemeanors or violations, police or other wise. 
