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Post by Clipper on Sept 12, 2011 8:35:40 GMT -5
New Yorkers paying more for gas than rest of the country Observer-Dispatch Posted Sep 12, 2011 @ 07:42 AM New Yorkers continue to pay about 20 cents more per gallon of gas than motorists in the rest of the country, according to GasBuddy, a national user-based database of gas prices. The average price for a gallon of gas here is $3.86, compared to the $3.66 paid on average by motorists throughout the country. Gas prices in New York are also $1.09 per gallon more than at this time last year, according to the database. The average cost of a gallon of gas has decreased 1.8 cents from last month, according to GasBuddy. Why? Because we pay the highest taxes in this country. Money and greed... I knew gasoline was about 20 cents higher in NY than here in Tn, but I didn't know that NY was higher than the entire rest of the country. NY state really needs to get taxes under control if the state is ever again going to be home to new businesses and industries, or if they expect people to stay there. Very sad that such a beautiful area is losing jobs and bleeding population year after year. It breaks my heart when I think about how much I would love to move back there, but can't justify the move economically. www.uticaod.com/latestnews/x462617334/Home-heating-oil-prices-rise-dramatically-as-autumn-approachesThe same is true of home heating oil. I would say that a 40% rise in cost is almost unbearable to the average family.
Another sad thing is that quite often they raise gasoline prices this time of year because they are supposedly using most of the refinery capacity to manufacture heating oil. They have it down pat. The oil companies know how to get in your knickers one way or another, year around. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2011 8:50:09 GMT -5
I also think it is greed. When the price per barrel of crude incresed on the stock market I noticed the price increase per gallon of gas adjustment was the next day. However, when the price per barrel of crude was dropping everyday the adjustment downward at the pump happened maybe once per week. I remember one day in particular when price per barrel dropped below $100 and nothing was adjusted at the pump! The gas companies want to enjoy their profit as long as possible. Greed.
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Post by firstamendment on Sept 12, 2011 10:03:36 GMT -5
NY is higher most likely from the taxes here. As far as gas prices in general, something is not right that they are still as high as they are. Granted natural disasters can make prices spike, but they've been already high well before Irene and Lee even became storms.
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Post by Clipper on Sept 12, 2011 12:18:29 GMT -5
The higher priced gas around here is about $3.47, and I paid $3.39 for Shell this morning when I filled the truck. I have no idea what heating oil costs here. We heat with a heat pump.
I will tell ya later what propane costs. I have to pick up the fifth wheel at the dealer in a little while. I had some maintenance done on it, and on the way home I have to fill the two propane bottles. (Ouch! lol)
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Post by firstamendment on Sept 12, 2011 15:58:56 GMT -5
I paid $3.839 last week at Hess in N Utica. Nearly 40 cents more up here.
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Post by clarencebunsen on Sept 12, 2011 16:39:04 GMT -5
Just for my own interest, what does the OIN charge? From what I remember they have about $.50/gallon cost advantage over other distributors. How much of that do they keep?
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Post by Clipper on Sept 12, 2011 18:56:59 GMT -5
When we were there in August the price difference was not that much. More like a nickel or dime a gallon. I was always a little leery of buying gas there. I am fussy about quality of gasoline.
A few years ago Walmart here was selling gas for 10 cents a gallon cheaper than anyone else in the area, but that cheap gas gave me lousy mileage, poor accelleration, and overall poor performance, so it was not worth the price difference.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2011 10:48:56 GMT -5
I paid $3.62 today at the OIN, which included a .05 discount if paying with cash versus using a bank/credit card. I think FASTRAC is grabbing about $3.82/gallon. So, I'll make the run to Verona.
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Post by firstamendment on Sept 13, 2011 10:53:24 GMT -5
I was out at Turning Stone last week and gassed up at the Sav On right there. Price for regular 87 was I think 3.759, roughly 10 cents cheaper.
It must depend on the vehicle. I've run Sav On gas in my wife's SUV and it actually seems to get better fuel economy on it than some other brands. My econo shitbox used to do great on Hess, but not sure if they changed their formulation because lately its not been as good. Stewart's gas, though I do not know what brand they sell, seems to also do well with fuel economy. I know it may sound odd but it does seem some cars do well with some brands of fuel than others. And since I track my mileage I can actually see it.
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Post by Clipper on Sept 13, 2011 11:09:43 GMT -5
Does Save On still sell an economy grade gasoline that is even lower octane than "regular?" When I lived up there I DID use their gas when they first opened near the Casino. I never could understand why anyone would burn anything lower octane than regular. Performance and mileage would almost have decrease with that low an octane rating. I am not a scientist, but it also seems that octane would have an effect on the burning efficiency and the carbon build-up etc. Does anyone no that for a fact? I can't speak to the performance of OIN's gas. I was driving a small block Ford truck at the time and did not really pay attention to mileage or performance data at the time. It is only since I have moved up to a larger engine in order to pull the fifth wheel trailer that I have become more aware and more interested in mileage, power and performance. Filling up tomorrow for the trip to the Carolina coast this coming weekend. That 10-12 mpg while pulling the trailer is a real smack to the old wallet, lol.   Our 25 foot model is plenty big enough for the two of us. I can't imagine the cost of fuel to pull the huge Montana's and other 30+ foot models with a 1 ton diesel powered truck. Probably would be cheaper to own a private jet and stay in a hotel!   |
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Post by Ralph on Sept 13, 2011 12:21:47 GMT -5
Here’s one that will leave you going hmmmmmm.
I’m sure you’ve seen the pics of the 33’ Cadillac EXT that I brought back from LA floating around here. We also have a standard Cadillac ESV in our fleet for shuttle transport.
Both are basically the same vehicle, same Vortec engine, AWD, etc……except of course the EXT is stretched to the max, has two alternators, a huge AC unit under the back section, etc.
The 33’ EXT gets better gas mileage than the little 4 dr ESV……extraordinarily better!!!
Go figure.
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Post by Clipper on Sept 13, 2011 12:42:40 GMT -5
That is certainly strange. One would not want to run out of gas with that 33 ft beast. It would take the first $20 bucks worth to fill the lines from the tank in the rear to the injectors in the front. It would take ten minutes to get it primed and running again, LOL. My God. Do ya have to stop for a rest break to catch your breath on a trip from the driver's seat to the trunk? |
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Post by firstamendment on Sept 13, 2011 12:57:49 GMT -5
The Sav On near the beach I think still sells 86 octane but you don't want to use that in cars. You'll get a lot of pinging from it and detonation is never a good thing for the internal combustion engine. The lower octane is usually no problem for small motors like lawnmowers and weed wackers.
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Post by Clipper on Sept 13, 2011 13:18:17 GMT -5
If I remember correctly, the economy grade gas was at one time only 83 octane for what that is worth.
My main concern with gas for my small engine applications is alcohol content, more so than octane rating. We still have stations here where you can buy gas without any alcohol. Vallero is one of them. I don't use Vallero in my truck for several reasons, one being that it is refined from Venezuelan crude. The fact that it doesn't contain alcohol leaves me swallowing my pride and compromising my principles to purchase about 4 gallons a month for the tractor and mowers.
Can a person still buy gas up there that is alcohol free, or is it illegal to sell alcohol free gasoline in NY?
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Post by firstamendment on Sept 13, 2011 13:54:10 GMT -5
Yes, for those smaller motors, ethanol is killer on them. If you can't find gas without ethanol or other alcohol additives, find a product called Star Tron made by the Star Brite company. Walmart carries it in the fishing supplies for boats. I've used it in my snowblower since ethanol must have been mandated in NY because I can't find anywhere without it. Unless wholesalers sell it, I don't know. mystarbrite.com/startron/83? Wow, good way to blow up a car engine using that stuff. |
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Our 25 foot model is plenty big enough for the two of us. I can't imagine the cost of fuel to pull the huge Montana's and other 30+ foot models with a 1 ton diesel powered truck. Probably would be cheaper to own a private jet and stay in a hotel! 
