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Post by dave on Nov 26, 2012 22:09:06 GMT -5
I just say put politica and marketing and everything else aside and pay and equip the UPD and UFD with the money and staff necessary to keep people in Utica safe and to be able to get the scum off the street. Granted pensions and healthcare are expensive but the police and fire department should be top attention for the City of Utica. Actually when you think about it the UPD should have more given to them. I would rather see that then see park lawns cut on a regular basis and those crazy street cleaning machines. Let the rain clean the streets and give the welfare people brooms. That's the way we used to think of government, protection from foreign powers, criminals and fire. Before they got into first helping businesses and later competing with businesses. And we might as well add babysitting (pre-K through 12 education) and other pursuits. My great great grandfather Patrick was the lone IRS agent in Utica in the 1890's. He was all they needed, since only the wealthy paid federal income taxes. In "Isaac's Storm" (the story of the Galveston hurricane of 1900,) the national weather bureau in Washington published and distributed daily weather maps, coordinated the two man weather offices in large cities and employed a total of 12 people at the national office. Things have changed over the last 112 years.
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Post by clarencebunsen on Nov 26, 2012 23:19:01 GMT -5
Your great great grandfather was an IRS agent at an interesting time. Income taxes and the IRS began during the Civil War. In 1894 the income tax was declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court. It was restored by the 16th Amendment in 1913 and the IRS began a massive build up and restructuring.
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Post by clarencebunsen on Nov 27, 2012 6:32:25 GMT -5
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Post by clarencebunsen on Nov 27, 2012 10:13:24 GMT -5
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Post by dave on Nov 27, 2012 11:49:27 GMT -5
That's right, during that time one source of revenue was tax stamps. Beer, tobacco, etc. Later came a tax on butter. www.windsweptpress.com/TEMP/pg irs 3.jpg[/img] The image in your post before last isn't showing here.
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Post by dave on Nov 27, 2012 13:08:27 GMT -5
By the way here's a brief summary of income tax and constitutionality. It's from Yahoo Answers, so I wouldn't take it to court. But overall I think it's accurate. Note the second to last paragraph re few people paying FIT. "In 1861, Congress passed the first income tax law that taxed incomes from any source at a rate of 3% for all amounts over $800. That tax law was revised several times between 1862 and 1872. In 1872, the income tax law was allowed to expire when Congress did not renew it. In 1880, the Supreme Court in Springer v. U.S. held that the income tax law of 1865 as it applied to the income of an individual was constitutional. This applied to the earnings of an individual that received money in exchange for his services as a lawyer. "In 1894, Congress enacted a new income tax law which was similar to the law in 1861. This time, the court determined that a tax on the income from personal property (i.e. rental income) was the same as a tax on the property itself. Property taxes are direct taxes that must be apportioned. It is important to note that the court also clarified that a tax on incomes from vocations and employments had properly been held to be an indirect tax and was constitutional. However, the court decided that it could not have been Congress' intent to tax only the income from employments and therefore declared the law unconstitutional. Congress could have enacted a tax only on income from employments and that would have been okay. "In 1909, Congress passed the 16th amendment to the Constitution which was then sent to the states for ratification. In 1913, the amendment was ratified by the states and Congress passed an income tax law. The amendment had the effect of clarifying that all income taxes are to be treated as indirect taxes regardless of where the income comes from. People who claim an income tax is a direct tax are wrong. IN A CONSTITUTIONAL SENSE, an income tax is an INDIRECT tax that does not have to be apportioned. "In the 1913 income tax law, the non-taxed income was set rather high for the time and very few people actually paid income taxes. In 1917, both the percentage and level of non-taxed income was changed and many more people paid taxes. "The current income tax laws get their basic structure from the Tax Reform Act of 1986. That law has been amended several times over the years since to give us the tax laws as they are now. Those laws are codified as Title 26 of the U.S. Code." answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090216234142AAYEuP5
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Post by clarencebunsen on Nov 27, 2012 14:17:31 GMT -5
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