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Post by bobbbiez on Mar 20, 2012 14:09:19 GMT -5
 I applaud Governor Cuomo for signing a bill extending the DNA database to include all convicted minor offenders making New York State being the first to put it into effect. Nice to see for once we're not on the bottom of the totem pole. I'm sure many other states will now follow. This bill gives everyone protection. Will be a tool in helping to catch the criminals quicker and will give justice to those innocent who are accused of a crime. WTG Governor Cuomo! 
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Post by Clipper on Mar 20, 2012 15:05:23 GMT -5
I imagine it will be challenged in the courts as to whether it is constitutional or not. Hopefully it will pass muster and become law in other places too.
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Post by JGRobinson on Mar 20, 2012 17:46:30 GMT -5
Im a bit nervous about this, not because Ive done something that a PP test would show, just how it will be used. What are the limits, how will this info be safeguarded, I don't always trust the Gov to use things like this for purely above the table purposes.
Im all for catching the bad guy, DNA Can certainly exonerate the innocent as well as help convict criminals. I just don't wish for this info to be available for any other purpose than the designed program. I am a bit weary of our governments intentions as of late. Lastly, how much is this going to cost and who's gonna pay for it? The crooks?
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Post by bobbbiez on Mar 21, 2012 20:26:28 GMT -5
Jr, I see it as no different then taking the fingerprints of a person committing a crime. They are already collecting DNA from those committing felonies. This just adds those who commit misdemeanors and I'm all for it. I guess I feel if you are convicted of a crime you give up your rights to any privacy and your DNA falls in that category. Most important it will definitely help protect the innocent accused. 
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Post by JGRobinson on Mar 22, 2012 4:31:58 GMT -5
I could buy into "Those convicted of a crime" , didnt the original bill say those arrested or suspected of committing a crime? That to me is another story altogether. Suspicion should not be grounds for the collection of anything without either consent or probable cause. Even then, that should be with certain restrictions, fishing expeditions are not legal or justified. The US Army started requiring DNA testing for all its members 15 years ago, the data is encoded on our ID Cards but only the Military has access to the info, no body else. Although well intentioned, it still scares me that my DNA info might end up in the hands of Wikileaks or some other non gov agent.
I fear that big brother will soon be DNA testing children as they are born for our own good, these things smell a little too Orwellian for my taste. Unfortunately, the security of that data is the biggest concern for me and I cant say that I am completely trusting that they can secure it from uses outside of the intended goal. I remember a long time ago when Social Security Numbers were only allowed to be used for Social Security administration, nothing else. The collection of it outside of SS required a signed waiver from the owner of the number as a consent. Thats gone bye bye in the last 25 years, now anyone and their org can ask for it and use it for almost anything.
DNA info contains coding that can be used to do some very non legal things, I( hope they are ready to accept any blame for the misuse of it.
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Post by bobbbiez on Mar 22, 2012 15:10:27 GMT -5
I could buy into "Those convicted of a crime" , didnt the original bill say those arrested or suspected of committing a crime? That to me is another story altogether. Suspicion should not be grounds for the collection of anything without either consent or probable cause. FA, the way I'm looking at this is if someone arrested or suspected of committing a crime has their DNA taken along with their finger prints then in many instances a pass crime and future crimes can be solved by the new information. Plus, I don't have a problem of them taking my DNA mainly because I don't have any plans of doing anything wrong in committing any crime. I don't feel threatened by this bill and really feel more protected by it. |
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Post by Clipper on Mar 23, 2012 14:55:38 GMT -5
www.uticaod.com/features/x394118965/Arrest-made-in-2007-homicide-of-Jennifer-Bennett?zc_p=1There are pros and cons to the collection of DNA evidence. Here is a case where DNA has found a killer long sought by police. It brings justice for a crime and closure for the family of the victim. The other side of DNA evidence is evidenced by the Stephen Barnes case. He was exonerated after serving 19 of the best years of his young life in prison for a crime that he did not commit. One can only hope that at some time in the near future, Kim Simon's murder that Stephen Barnes was wrongfully convicted of will be solved using DNA evidence. Hopefully at some point, whoever killed her will screw up and end up providing a DNA sample that will link them to the long unsolved crime. It is a narrow path between the constitutional rights to privacy of those from whom the samples are taken, and the justice that is served by finding the criminals that roam free, endangering the public for years when a simple swab with a Q-tip could solve crimes and convict the guilty.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2012 15:42:53 GMT -5
I understand the scientific community is extremely happy about this. It can be saved for a long time and hopefully will someday be used to grow human clones that can be used as living replacement tissue for real humans. The technology is endless.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2012 15:53:26 GMT -5
DNA collecting may be more expensive that just fingerprinting. The processing of DNA I think is still very expensive. I wonder who pays for it. I do know the State will save money by taking over the distribution of free public bus passes. The County used to pay the Bus companies for ten free rides to people on Mediciad. Then it went done to 6 free rides. Now the State took it over and just about cancelled it. Now a person on Medicaid, has to call a 800 number and request a Bus pass and there has to be a six week notice given. A whole bunch of us are getting together with the ride's we want then calling them in. lol This will have to drive someone nuts.
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Post by bobbbiez on Mar 24, 2012 0:31:21 GMT -5
www.uticaod.com/features/x394118965/Arrest-made-in-2007-homicide-of-Jennifer-Bennett?zc_p=1 The other side of DNA evidence is evidenced by the Stephen Barnes case. He was exonerated after serving 19 of the best years of his young life in prison for a crime that he did not commit. One can only hope that at some time in the near future, Kim Simon's murder that Stephen Barnes was wrongfully convicted of will be solved using DNA evidence. Hopefully at some point, whoever killed her will screw up and end up providing a DNA sample that will link them to the long unsolved crime. I really don't believe Kim Simon's case will ever be closed. Too many people who were supposedly involved or who witnessed Kim's murder and the one who most feel is the killer are dead. From what I hear there is one who is still alive but I'd bet my life he won't talk because he would incriminate himself. Very sad for Kim's family and the Barnes family.  |
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Post by bobbbiez on Mar 24, 2012 13:12:39 GMT -5
Yep Clip, this case is the perfect reason and proof why I feel this bill can do nothing but good for all. This guy committed recent crimes and his DNA was taken and solved this 2007 unsolved murder. Not only is it an excellent tool in solving present and past crimes but it will give this woman's family some relief and I would think the community as well knowing a killer who was still on the loose was caught and will be brought to justice.
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Post by JGRobinson on Mar 26, 2012 6:57:37 GMT -5
I wont go as far as saying it can do nothing but good but I will certainly admit it can do much good. I hope it only does good and I hope we can afford to do it well, not just create another system that we cant afford. Medical, biological and chemical screening is useful but it can be also fraught with perilous societal implecations. This is still a free society that all are presumed innocent unless proven guilty of a crime, these tests according to why they are administered can violate a plethora or human rights by eliminating self incrimination from our list.
The same logic has been used trying to get every person who receives a Social services check to be tested for any signs of substance abuse. While I don't want to buy crack for a Welfare parent, without probable cause or admission, I don't think that is prudent or reasonable search and seizure. What if an accurate test comes out to determine nutritional appropriatness of a childs diet, wouldn't it be nice if we tested every kid in school and used the results to determine the best diets for our children? Maybe some form of punishment could be levied against those that fail to meet government guidlines.
Fishing expeditions do catch fish, the wider the net, the larger the catch. Thats just simple math, the outcome also has negatives, all too often the wrong fish get tangled in the big net and die with the targeted group as well. Its a slippery slope when you consider all that is not considered in giving up our right to a certain ammount of privacy and choice.
My DNA Code is mine, not anyone elses, I have nothing to gain from this argument, my DNA is already in a Military Data Base, I gave it up as terms for employment. Just like I pissed in a bottle (Which I might add was degrading when I did it and even more so when I had to watch 100 troopies hold their Units and piss as a designated Non Com piss vulture in the Company). We lost two very good soldiers to failed tests with pot yet I could count on about 20% of the company officers included to be half in the bag or hungover for half the drills!, saturday morning move outs after a night in the NCO club was always interesting! OK, who's not drunk, your driving to Drum....
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I applaud Governor Cuomo for signing a bill extending the DNA database to include all convicted minor offenders making New York State being the first to put it into effect. Nice to see for once we're not on the bottom of the totem pole. I'm sure many other states will now follow.
