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Post by dgriffin on Mar 30, 2008 11:15:45 GMT -5
The man often has the right words. See entire text at: tinyurl.com/2qorn9Excerpt: "In fact, a similar anger exists within segments of the white community. Most working- and middle-class white Americans don't feel that they have been particularly privileged by their race. Their experience is the immigrant experience - as far as they're concerned, no one's handed them anything, they've built it from scratch. They've worked hard all their lives, many times only to see their jobs shipped overseas or their pension dumped after a lifetime of labor. They are anxious about their futures, and feel their dreams slipping away; in an era of stagnant wages and global competition, opportunity comes to be seen as a zero sum game, in which your dreams come at my expense. So when they are told to bus their children to a school across town; when they hear that an African American is getting an advantage in landing a good job or a spot in a good college because of an injustice that they themselves never committed; when they're told that their fears about crime in urban neighborhoods are somehow prejudiced, resentment builds over time. Like the anger within the black community, these resentments aren't always expressed in polite company. But they have helped shape the political landscape for at least a generation. Anger over welfare and affirmative action helped forge the Reagan Coalition. Politicians routinely exploited fears of crime for their own electoral ends. Talk show hosts and conservative commentators built entire careers unmasking bogus claims of racism while dismissing legitimate discussions of racial injustice and inequality as mere political correctness or reverse racism. Just as black anger often proved counterproductive, so have these white resentments distracted attention from the real culprits of the middle class squeeze - a corporate culture rife with inside dealing, questionable accounting practices, and short-term greed; a Washington dominated by lobbyists and special interests; economic policies that favor the few over the many. And yet, to wish away the resentments of white Americans, to label them as misguided or even racist, without recognizing they are grounded in legitimate concerns - this too widens the racial divide, and blocks the path to understanding. This is where we are right now. It's a racial stalemate we've been stuck in for years. Contrary to the claims of some of my critics, black and white, I have never been so naïve as to believe that we can get beyond our racial divisions in a single election cycle, or with a single candidacy - particularly a candidacy as imperfect as my own."
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Post by bobbbiez on Mar 30, 2008 13:07:58 GMT -5
I have to give the man due credit for willing to address the black/white issue when all others are afraid to address it. Much of what he stated is so very true and as he states there is no quick cure, but for a Presidential candidate just willing to address the facts is a damn good beginning and shows me he is a fearless man willing to stand up and bring in some desperately needed changes. I see this man during this Presidential campaign bringing all nationalities and races together. I see no matter what the opposition throws at him that many, including myself, sees him as new hope for the future.
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Post by Ralph on Mar 30, 2008 14:49:51 GMT -5
My biggest fear is that if he does manage to pull this off and win, that people will have set their hopes so high, he will never be able to live up to their expectations.
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Post by bobbbiez on Mar 30, 2008 15:10:28 GMT -5
But honestly Ralph, what the hell do we have to lose? Look at all in the past. I'm just sick of the usual political flunkies with all their promises that they forgot they made once they get in. Obama is new blood and I believe he is his own man. I'm willing to give him a shot because I don't have anything to lose in a candidate that I have faith in and that hasn't happened to me in many, many moons now.
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Post by Swimmy on Mar 30, 2008 16:42:10 GMT -5
I'm right there with you Bobbbiez! I've seen what "experience" has gotten us, a lot of shit. Time to clean the slate and start with some fresh blood, not entrenched with "experience".
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Post by thelma on Mar 30, 2008 19:41:11 GMT -5
Not me! I am going to vote for the man that has a proven record, and proved his loyality for our country by serving in the Armed Forces and being a Prisoner of War where he looked death in the face. Mc Cain is an honorable man, and you don't hear anything immoral about his past life at any stage; young or old.
Race has become the strong point for the Demoncrats. What guarantee do we have if Obama is elected President that he won't put more racist programs in place for the non-whites and reinstating the affirmative action program which proved to be a failure. None of these programs worked and only made the divide between the whites and blacks that much broader.
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Post by Ralph on Mar 31, 2008 2:08:40 GMT -5
The only problem I have with Obama is being "black", which he isn't. I have nothing against anyone that is "black".......but he is not. Micheal Jackson is black, Lionel Richie is black........Obama is not. If a few more chromosomes had migrated from his mom instead of his dad, he would be as "white" as Rush Limbaugh ( scary thought huh?). Hillary has done nothing for NY, why would anyone think she would do anything for the US? McCain may be more of the same, or dead within his first year or two. Obama has no proven track record, experience and a questionable group of advisors. I'm gonna vote for Bill The Cat!!!
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Post by frankcor on Mar 31, 2008 10:00:47 GMT -5
Mc Cain is an honorable man, and you don't hear anything immoral about his past life at any stage; young or old.. Ahem ... need I mention "the Keating Five?" At least it shows McCain's history for bi-partisanship goes back a long way when he was caught with his fingers in the pot along with 4 Democrats. So does his greed and avarice (re: McCain-Feingold exempts Indian tribes from campaign finance limits)
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Post by bobbbiez on Mar 31, 2008 19:32:28 GMT -5
Sh-t Frank, now I know why I felt McCain was too damn sneaky for me and I didn't even know about this. Guess I haven't lost it yet. Still a damn good judge of character. ;D
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Post by Disgusted-Daily on Apr 1, 2008 0:18:49 GMT -5
I agree with thelma. How can a man get rid of racism when he has a preacher that preached such hatred for the white man for the last 20 plus years? How about a wife that makes a statement that this was the first time she was proud of the U.S. ? She is like Hillary, unless somebody writes it down for her to say she will continue to put her foot in her mouth every time she speaks.
Martin Luther King never preached hatred, only love. He truly did see only one color. These phonies today still see two colors and because of that racism will never end.
Mc Cain has truly served his Country. How many people know that he could have been released early in his capture but refused because their motto was you leave in the order you arrived in. That is a true man who did truly care about his fellow man instead of thinking about himself. Because of that he would endure months of torture from his captures.
I also agree with Ralph. What has Hillary done for NY never mind the US, besides White Water? For that matter what did Bill ever do for the US besides bring disgrace to the White House, NAFTA and the true story of "Black Hawk Down"?
Lets not forget about some of these true blunders in history.
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Post by bobbbiez on Apr 1, 2008 2:21:59 GMT -5
Todd, I have addressed most of what you stated in earlier post and I don't want to keep repeating myself so I only want to respond to what you said bout McCain serving his country. I have total respect and admiration for anyone who served in the Armed Services but that alone does not mean that person is best suited to run this country or that you're above any wrong doings later in life. Nothing in politics is that cut n dry or clean. One would not survive in the political world if you don't learn to play the game and I'm sure McCain has done his share of doing just that as Frank's post brought out. After reading that about him I find it very hard to call him honorable.
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Post by Ralph on Apr 1, 2008 3:56:38 GMT -5
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Post by Disgusted-Daily on Apr 1, 2008 11:34:21 GMT -5
bobbbiez,
Sorry, I didn't see where you addressed most of what I stated in an earlier post.
I do agree with you in regards to politics is not that cut'n dry or clean but that post from frankcor "Keating Five" stated that John McCain had been only minimally involved. Still I am not saying he is perfect but think he brings allot more to the table than the other two and still less questionable motives.
I personally think Obama will cause even more hatred between the races by trying to make change to quickly with such hatred already exposed.
For the record I think Obama is an Intelligent man and a great speaker but lacks the experience needed to be a leader. I wonder if the American people were not so hungry for change if he would have done as well as he has?
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Post by bobbbiez on Apr 1, 2008 13:32:57 GMT -5
Well Todd, I guess you stated exactly why Obama is doing so well in his fight for the White House. Most People, including myself, has had it with the typical politicians and are willing to give Obama a chance. It is a fact that we do need a drastic change and I truly feel Obama is that man to do just that. I can't see where one might think he would make things worse between the races. As a matter of fact, I can't see where any President in the past and up to date has improved the relationship. It's a win/lose situation and I'm willing to take the chance on Obama because he is willing to address the situation where most are avoiding it. As far as his "lack of experience" which holds no weight with me, because until one is in the White House, "no one" can state they have more experience for that job. It's in a league of it's own and one can not compare another political position to it. Fact is, McCain was involved in the "Keating Five" and I'm sorry but even a "minimal involvement" is enough for me to question his honesty and credibility. He sure as hell isn't as honorable or as clean as many try to make him out to be.
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Post by thelma on Apr 1, 2008 19:31:34 GMT -5
Have any of you Obama fans considered the fact that his speeches are written by someone else - not Obama himself? Think about it - Obama doesn't have the time to write his own speeches AND do all the campaining speeches, ETC!
Whoever is writing all his speeches needs to be given a raise in pay - LOL!
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