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Post by clarencebunsen on Jan 3, 2012 13:45:44 GMT -5
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Post by dgriffin on Jan 3, 2012 15:55:10 GMT -5
I liked this comment by a commenter to that article, CB. Especially the last part of it.
"I'll say it again:Constitution of the United States "Article IV, section 2; The Citizens of each State SHALL BE ENTITLED to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States."
Ryann has a valid carry permit in Indiana, and by the Constitution he has the right to carry in New York, New York. PERIOD. It is the same law that says a Marriage in one state is valid in all 50 states, and seven territories."
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Post by Clipper on Jan 3, 2012 15:55:44 GMT -5
I can't find it again right now, but this morning there was something on the news pages about a person from S.C. being caught with a machine gun after jumping the turnstile at a subway station. I certainly hope it wasn't our friend Dave from S.C. in town for the new year's eve celebration. I wouldn't blame him. If I were going to ride a NY Subway in late years I would carry a machine gun too. lol.
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Post by dgriffin on Jan 3, 2012 22:14:29 GMT -5
No me, I'd carry a crossbow on the subway. I don't think I ever told CB I have a crossbow or how I got it. My wife brought it home from Italy as carry-on luggage. I am not kidding. She kept telling everyone, from airline ticket personnel to the Italian TSA people, that it was an antique wooden astrolabe as suggested by the guy who sold her the repro and convinced her (rightly) she could get it home. The damned thing had a bolt in it with a 3-blade broadhead on the tip!
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Post by clarencebunsen on Jan 3, 2012 22:26:02 GMT -5
That's true, I did not know that.
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Post by dgriffin on Jan 29, 2012 13:34:36 GMT -5
Well, Dave, you're misrepresenting the facts. The right to carry is not a privilege, rather a a right. Recently, in Chicago v McDonald, SCOTUS held that the second amendment is applicable to the states. And in DC v Heller, SCOTUS held that the second amendment secures and individual right. The Supreme Court finally corrected a century-worth of incorrect jurisprudence pushed down upon us by gun control advocates who falsely believe that an unarmed public is a safe public. They often leave out the end of the philosophy: if you're the government of a criminal! There is also the Full Faith and Credit Clause of the US Constitution. Though my research on the matter is rusty, each state is to provide full faith and credit of the laws of other states. So, legally, there is no reason why this woman's license to carry (which really should not be required under a literal reading of the second amendment) should not be honored! Regardless, my outrage is that you have someone who made an honest mistake and tried to correct it. And for doing that, she's being punished! The lesson here is that you would do well to keep silent and cheat the system. Proof, yet again, that gun owners care about the law and try to follow it! Swimmy, I liked this: Eleanor Roosevelt; "a right is not something that somebody gives you; it is something that nobody can take away"
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Post by Clipper on Jan 29, 2012 14:39:27 GMT -5
Many governmental agencies or offices should probably ponder that point. The right to bear arms is a right that would be dangerous to take away, should government at some point decide it was prudent to confiscate anyone's fire arms. I am sure that they would meet up with some serious armed resistance. I am a passionate 2nd amendment supporter. I know how I feel about MY guns, and my right to possess and fire them. If I feel that strongly, I am sure that those with more extreme, almost militia style feelings on the subject would not simply lay down their arms and hand them over. I doubt that I could condone physical violence against our government and it's agents in order to retain my guns, but I MIGHT just think seriously about moving to Canada if our government ever reaches THAT level of interference into my freedoms guaranteed by our forefathers. One would have to consider the fact that those you would be taking up arms against would be your fellow Americans, simply following orders from their superiors, just as we did in our military days. It would be the POLITICIANS and leaders that would be the cause of such an action, not the innocent ATF agent that was sent to your home. I DO have cousins in Quebec, and living is not all that bad up there, other than some really cold ass winters. It would damn sure be a shock to the system after wintering in Tennessee for a few years, ROFL. With Obamacare on the burner now, I would not be submitting to a health care program that is any worse than what we are going to face here. At least THEIRS is tried and proven to work.
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Post by dgriffin on Jan 29, 2012 17:15:27 GMT -5
In addition to freezing your butt off, you'd probably be paying even more taxes and loss of standard of living than New York State and of course Tennessee. It IS expensive up there and I don't think they live as well for us, when comparing incomes, jobs, etc. But they sure do love it!
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Post by Clipper on Jan 29, 2012 17:59:50 GMT -5
Well, being retired, I would simply have to spend my summers and autumns hunting, fishing, and preserving food. Fish and hunt all summer, and live on frozen fish, and moose jerky all winter. Perhaps a nice gamey, greasy, bowl of bear stew to keep me regular.
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Post by corner on Jan 30, 2012 13:54:06 GMT -5
going to canada leave your guns at home 20 years up there
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Post by Clipper on Jan 30, 2012 15:46:10 GMT -5
I have hunted for moose in Ontario before, and a non-resident firearms permit is required and is good for 60 days. You can get a permit for each gun you are going to take into Canada through Canadian Customs. We always got ours ahead of time. It is separate from the non resident hunting license. Handguns are a different story, but I would have no reason to carry a handgun into Canada anyways. Handguns are a restricted weapon and the law is different and varies by barrel length, caliber, etc. A friend was going to carry his pistol on our moose trip, and ended up leaving his handgun in the custody of a licensed gun dealer in International Falls Mn before he was allowed to cross into Canada. The guy with the handgun thought he could simply add the handgun to his list of firearms when he got to the border. WRONG, haha. The gun dealer actually charged him to keep his handgun in a safe until he returned to the states, and we had probably spent over $200 as a party, on ammo and merchandise at his shop that same morning.
You are correct though Corner. You DON'T want to be caught with a gun that is not covered by a Canadian firearms permit and is not declared. The very least you can expect is to forfeit the gun, and there also can be heavy fines and jail time depending on the circumstances. EACH gun is required to be registered individually by serial number and each gun is issued a separate permit.
Hell, now a days, since 9-11, one might have more trouble getting their guns back in the the US than they did getting the permits and taking them through Canadian Customs agents when entering Canada. The last time I hunted in Ontario was in 1987.
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