Once again, I feel the reporter that initially wrote this article quoted Ms. Chambers in such a way knowing it would inflame the majority of us. This reporter has a history of distorting the actual facts in his style of "reporting".
There is no doubt that the majority of Cornhill residents mistrust the Police as most of their dealings with the Police are very negative. Many of their ill feelings towards the Police are passed down from older family members and friends. There is no quick and easy solution to resolve these differences.
Having more minority officers on the UPD would help, and more interaction between the minorities would help. But, everyone needs to show respect if they want to receive respect. They can't expect to be allowed to call Officers insulting names and expect the same Officer to treat them with "respect".
The printed testimony of the Trial of Officer Lindsay's killer clearly showed how the criminal's lifestyle is far different than how the average law abiding citizen lives. IMO - it is almost next to impossible to think that these types of criminals can be made to turn their lives around and become "model" citizens!
I don't mean to bash the theory Thelma, but it encompasses much more than that. Unfortunately it is more the economics of it that the race issue.
It just so happens that the majority of Minorities in the Cornhill area are poorer, so it seems in some aspects, than the Whites. But trust me.......there is enough "Trash" around here to beat the band. And a good portion of them are far worse than any minority I have seen yet!
We once had a pretty detailed profile of the distribution of criminal activities in relation to ethnicities and location in the city. It included EVERYONE imaginable.
The fact is that the minorities you mention tend to stand on the corners more than others and are more concentrated in one area than others. But believe me, it goes on everywhere.....even in your neck of the woods.
Whatever happened to the American Dream that as long as you were willing to work, you could achieve anything you set as a goal for yourself? Maybe, I'm wrong, but somewhere along the way, it seems that the younger generation have turned to drugs to achieve that feeling everything is OK. Drugs have caused people to do horrible things and drugs have become their "Gods" and taken the place of their families and other loved ones.
I've always felt that education is the way out of property. My GD is friends with some minority students at Proctor and they ALL have set their goals on going to College and becoming a Professional person in a professional occupation. Why do some have the inner strength to pursue their education while others drop out of school to sell drugs to make that quick dollar?
I don't have the answers and I doubt that any workshop can change the minds of the people that don't want to work at achieving their way out of poverty.
Have a good night. I'm going back to bed. My dog started barking a few hours ago as he heard something outside. He woke me up and then I couldn't go back to sleep!
Post by Disgusted-Daily on Apr 12, 2008 1:58:56 GMT -5
Along with a lack of respect and education. I think maybe Welfare needs to come into play. When one can make a better living on Welfare than a minimum wage job, their seems to be a problem. Welfare should be a short term solution to ones problem. Instead we have perfectly healthy people retiring on Welfare and don't think twice about.
This is nothing more than abuse of tax paying dollars and stealing from the people that really need some sort of assistance.
I know the economy is tough and was as tough if not tougher back in the day, but yet no Welfare. Hmmmm you have to wonder!
You are absolutely right. When the immigrants came to our City back in 1920 and on, they had to support themselves the best they could PLUS learn English without any "classes" to help them. They were strictly on their own to survive - which they did and ended up making sure their children got educated and didn't have to struggle like they did.
This generation brought so many delicious receipes, as well as the respect of the community. Look at what the Bosians have done to improve our City. Today, they are employed in Hospitals, on our Police Force, and own their own businesses. Others work at various other jobs to improve their lives and support their families, as well as buying up low income houses and fixing them up with their own sweat and turning them into Castles. I admire these people that have asked for nothing, but given back so much to our community.
IMO - Welfare teaches you how to cheat and lie and steal, as it is impossible for a single person to live on the $350 they provide for housing and food for one person. I agree that Welfare should have a SHORT time limitation for those that are over the age of 16 and have no medical reason why they can't work.
I've always claimed that if you are willing to work, there is a job out there for you. It might not pay $1,000 a week when you are not educated, but it will be enough to put a roof over your head and feed yourself and your family.
I'm sorry I don't believe a damn word she said. She didn't say anything. "Chambers unable to express her full opinion or clarify her remarks." What!!!! Am I missing something?
And for Mr. Useless, (Bill Phillips), "we try to show the positive but sometimes we've got to let people say what they feel."
What!!!! Am I missing something else? That's all I've heard from Mr. Useless and the people he represents. They're allowed to say anything, everything and they do, but yet when we ask for the same rights we labeled just about everything in the book and we're wrong.
I guess it's fair to say equal opportunity is there if one WANTS it, especially today with all the programs and monies available for the less fortunate. That's the word, "WANTS."
Back in the 60's I had a cousin whose Mother died when he was a baby of TB and his father could care less. His name was Walt. Working whatever jobs he could while in school from grade school and working hard in high school he got a football scholarship to Oklahoma State University. While attending college he took a job with UPS to support himself so he could finish college. To make a long story short, Walt retired five years ago as a Board of Director from UPS. The whole time he worked for UPS he invested in that company and his stock gave him 3.5 million dollars to retire with.
Bottom line, Walt is only one story of someone who didn't cry the blues and "wanted" more for his life and was willing to do whatever he could to achieve it. Believe me, there are plenty of Walt's out there who were and are willing to work hard for a better life for themselves.
I guess it boils down to this. I was an abused child. Did I want to learn from that and be a much better parent to my kids or did I want to use that as an excuse why I wasn't willing to improve my own life. Sh-t, we can all find any excuse to use if we take the wrong road or don't "want" to have a better life for ourselves and our children. I learned this. Even a bad parent can teach us how to succeed and that's by learning from their mistakes and take control of our own life. We, everyone has to "want' it.
Post by Disgusted-Daily on Apr 12, 2008 20:05:03 GMT -5
How about a mandatory drug test to collect Welfare? Placing a cap on Welfare and enforcing the eligible people to report to the unemployment office and be given jobs as they come available and making sure they attempt to work these jobs.
There are many things we could do to reform Welfare and to rehabilitate ones work ethics. Give them the option of working or going to school (GED) and prepare them for the work force.
How can we pay healthy people to sit home and sleep during the day and party at night? Hell we could even help with lowering the crime rate with a reform to Welfare.
Damn Frank, hiding behind that little guy you posted ain't gonna help your a-- any. ;D
I feel like I'm back when my daughter, Missy, and son, Anthony, were little again. Always getting in between their fighting and boy did they fight. Kind of like two people I know here. ;D
Both were stubborn and hard headed and shared few opinions the same. Both had legit arguments at times. Both had their time when they were completely wrong and both had their time when they were completely right. Missy and Anthony or Ants that I usually call him seemed like they were mortal enemies until someone else attack the other. Then they stood side by side protecting each other. Kind of like two people I know here.
Gonna say, I 'm sure the two people I know here will do the right thing and all will soon be forgiven and forgotten as Missy and Ants did after each and every battle.
So sorry Raplh, but I truly believe issues such as this has to be addressed. No different then I agreed that the reporter was right in bringing out to the public what that woman said about feelings toward our Policemen. I'm sick of these things being taboo to discuss and people afraid to address certain things because it just might offend certain others.
Maybe some day all sides will be able to state their feelings instead of just one side and that is the way it is now.
But I will respect whatever you decide and I'm sure you know that already. You're the boss.
We all know that we can agree to disagree with each other here.
I believe it is either Wcup or Todd that is so fond of putting it that we have 2% of the people doing 96% of the crime. Which is the truest statement made in that regard.
That sad fact is that in certain parts of the city it just so happens to be that the 2% is one particular minority or another.
For your area and mine it is one, for E. Utica it is another. N. Utica is a different story in and of itself. As for the actual breakdown of who is doing what, it would surprise many outside of LE just what the facts really are.......and scare a bunch too. The customer base alone would leave a lot of people scratching their heads as well. I don't have to say anymore, you know where I am coming from.
As to the thread content............
I have said before, I participate as a member and will break chops just as well as anyone else.
When I have to assume the role of Administrator, I will. I just don't want to see the board reflected in an unkind light to those who don't know the real people behind the names in their avatars.