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Post by Swimmy on Mar 12, 2008 7:55:08 GMT -5
Yeah, up in the Woodberry hills development, there is not a creek that normally runs through my property. But every heavy rainfall, one grows and flows through the property, even during the summer.
As I have said before, I know there is a real problem. And ewiatr's efforts would be better spent doing something to fix them. I outlined them in the disgrace forums. Instead, he chose to ignore a simple and innocent question, then attack the person asking it.
I never imagined my question would draw such misdirected wrath.
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Post by froggy on Mar 12, 2008 10:28:23 GMT -5
I live on flat ground. When the ground gets saturated during a decent rain, it pools near my foundation and I get water in my basement. some of these things are not caused by intentional means. I read the papers, I saw there are real issus in that he is taking up the cause. But for pete's sake, its winter, its melting snow that happens anyway. Then he posts a link to pics that aren't even taken in winter to show flooding. It does nothing to support his rationale for the latest tongue lashing he's done on Krupa. None.
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Post by Clipper on Mar 12, 2008 11:23:21 GMT -5
Froggy, thawing snow and ice cause the problem right now, but even in summer, there is a problem, and it is caused by poor planning and rapid development in the area. Money was on the minds of developers and NH politicians when they approved and they encouraged all the commercial development in the area of Consumer Square. Engineers should have been able to anticipate the drainage problems, and there should have been creek bed modifications, to prevent the problems with flooding. The sauquoit creek has always caused havoc in the area of Whitesboro between Main St. and the RR tracks, now they have exacerbated the problem with more development and more storm water drainage. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that when you place a water repellent material over acres and acres of land, the rainwater is not going to soak into it, and will run off and cause a problem elsewhere. If it is up to the town fathers in NH, they will continue to build and pave over until the water is up to the top of kitchen counter tops in the houses along Royal Brook Lane. Just a quick question. Where will the water from the NH Business park be directed to, when they put in drainage or storm sewers up there? Into the same creek that is overtaxed with storm water now???
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Post by froggy on Mar 12, 2008 12:35:48 GMT -5
Froggy, thawing snow and ice cause the problem right now, but even in summer, there is a problem, and it is caused by poor planning and rapid development in the area. And that inlines where the debate ensues. Thawing snow and ice is causing the problem right now, not the developmental issues, which is what Eddie is ralling around the flagpole with. I tried to politely explain that to him only to be told to find a lilly pad or something. I mean if you are going to try to use evidence to support a claim, then make sure the evidence is there. Flooding in the winter time from a spring thaw is not 100% indicative of the engineering problems that plague the area in the summer months. But he's got it in for Krupa so bad, like the wolf smelling blood, that he doesn't know when to quit. Kinda like Elliot Spitzer
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Post by Clipper on Mar 12, 2008 14:11:09 GMT -5
Sorry Froggy, I thought you were criticizing Todd for the pictures of his backyard. The overdevelopment DOES affect the flooding problems, winter and summer. I don't know if I misunderstood you, or you misunderstood me, but at any rate, was it Todd or Ewiater that posted the link for the pictures? I am confused.
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Post by froggy on Mar 12, 2008 16:33:44 GMT -5
Sorry Froggy, I thought you were criticizing Todd for the pictures of his backyard. The overdevelopment DOES affect the flooding problems, winter and summer. I don't know if I misunderstood you, or you misunderstood me, but at any rate, was it Todd or Ewiater that posted the link for the pictures? I am confused. no it was my gaffe. I thought crackhead ed posted the link to the pics. That;s not a good sight either, what todd had posted to. Looked like my FIL's yard after the 2006 flood. He lives across the road from a lake. I wasn't critizing Todd. I thought the pics were being used to show last weekend's flooding, which it obviously didn't.
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Post by Disgusted-Daily on Mar 12, 2008 23:09:42 GMT -5
As quick as the snow melted we did not have a problem. Then came all the rain and the flood began just as always regardless of the time of the year.
The problem could be solved if they would dig it deeper. The DEC says no way because it is a class A-trout stream. What a crock! This is just a creek that hasn't had trout in it for years. On normal days it is just a couple of inches deep, but when the rain comes it is not deep enough to handle all the water.
Keep in mind all the road sewers in the Mills drain into the creek. That is allot of water at once to flow down a creek that is normally a couple of inches deep. There is also no banks left, the high flood waters have washed them away.
As far as Ed goes, well I do find his stuff interesting to read but like the rest of you I have wondered why there is never a out come to his stories, no follow through other than foiling and stirring the pot. I have never asked because I know he will never answer just the same as he has done to you guys.
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Post by Swimmy on Mar 13, 2008 7:12:46 GMT -5
That's the point. This time around, the melting snow coupled with the heavy rains and frozen ground caused the flooding. Royal Brook ln was not the only place to experience flooding, my property experienced it too, just like it always does this time of year under those conditions. Two streams of water flowed across my property, one through the backyard, the other between my property and my neighbor's property. We had to setup a second sump pump to keep up with the rain that did penetrate the ground from flooding our basement. Jordan Rd from paris to seneca tpk/genesee st. had a stream flowing through it, just like it always does this time of year under these same exact conditions. As of Wednesday evening, there was still a pond of water in our backyard, just as usual this time of year under these conditions.
No one disputes that it happens at other times. But this time, it was not the result of rapid development: it was nature. And the flooding was inevitable. There was too much water falling and melting with no place for it to go. But no one disputes that during the summer, fall, or late spring those properties face constant flooding. However, as evidenced by other people, flooding occurred all over the area this time around as a result of the rapid snow melt, heavy rain, and frozen ground.
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Post by Disgusted-Daily on Mar 13, 2008 13:57:19 GMT -5
Swimmy
Rapid development does play a big role in this as clipper has previously stated and I will repost "It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that when you place a water repellent material over acres and acres of land, the rainwater is not going to soak into it, and will run off and cause a problem elsewhere.
As I have stated all the road sewers in the Mills drain into the same creek in question. That is allot of water at once to flow down a creek that is normally a couple of inches deep. There is also no banks left, the high flood waters have washed them away.
This water does not flood just the yards but floods the whole basement, making them almost unusable.
My one neighbor has a in ground pool that the flood waters completely rise above the pool submerging it under dirty murky water.
This would be allot easier to tolerate if it was one time around as a result of the rapid snow melt, heavy rain, and frozen ground as you keep stating. Go through this time and time again and year in and year out is ridicules and unacceptable.
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Post by Swimmy on Mar 13, 2008 19:28:29 GMT -5
I'm done trying to explain it. This instance is because of a frozen ground, heavy rain, and snow melt. I say that because that area is not the only place that suffered flooding over the weekend. My property is no where near the problem areas, e.g. Royal Brook Ln. but it still experienced flooding.
All other times, I agree with you. And something should be done.
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Post by Disgusted-Daily on Mar 14, 2008 19:19:54 GMT -5
I do agree that most flooding that occurs is from frozen ground, heavy rain, and snow melt. Unfortunately there is more to it for the Royal Brook Resident whose cellars are flooding with sewer every time the floods come.
I talked to one life long neighbor who told me that this has been going on for the last 15yrs or so. He has made a special pit in his basement that a 1/2" residential pump use to handle. He now has a 2" commercial pump to handle the water and sewer.
He also stated that it is getting worse every year and was never like this until Walmart and all the enhancements to commercial drive came.
We have had a company for the last couple of months in the area trying to figure out where and how the excess water and sewer is coming in.
It always amazes me how people automatically assume all flooding is caused by the same thing without actually living near the floods or knowing the history behind the floods.
As far as Krupa fixing the problem if she was there, the answer would be of course not. It would have been comforting to have her show up and give the residents some insight on what and if any progress is being made to resolve the ongoing problem.
Krupa obtained our votes by using our flooding problem in her campaign and promised we would see results. This so far has been an empty promise without so much as a letter or revisit to the area that she had no problem campaigning in.
Like all the other politicians that have come and gone over the years she is a disappointment as much as the others.
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Post by Swimmy on Mar 14, 2008 19:48:10 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm not in the flood zone that Royal Brook lane residents are in, and every time this year the basement inevitably takes on water if we don't have two sump pumps running during the heavy rains.
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Post by Disgusted-Daily on Mar 14, 2008 19:59:47 GMT -5
Now add sewage to that water and you will really understand.
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Post by Swimmy on Mar 15, 2008 0:53:31 GMT -5
No, you're assuming I don't already. I do.
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