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Post by dgriffin on Feb 9, 2008 14:22:50 GMT -5
Today on WKTV website:
"Still no word this morning on what caused part of a home in Steuben to catch on fire."
News 101 - A house catches fire, not a part of it and not "on fire."
"...school officials have spent the better half of the last few years coming up with a plan..."
What, pray tell, is "the better half of the last few years.." ?
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Post by losjibaros on Feb 9, 2008 14:47:19 GMT -5
You guys are looking at a dinosaur and saying.. boy.. this thing should get its act together if it wants to survive the next 10,000 years when in fact.. the astroid is already starting to block out the sun....
With Microsofts bid on Yahoo, if it happens or not, we are just one step closer to the GREAT CONVERGANCE that will transform our lives into something none of us (except the google boys and mr gates) saw coming.
Local News Papers? Local News Stations?
no... they will be gone.
Who is going to replace them?
People like swimmy, dave and francor.. people who will post an opinion or an actual story... and will get paid for it when it is read.
What makes me different than the OD right now? nothing except they have a giant press that they wont be using much longer. I have a 200 wide format inkjet printer on my desk that can print exactly the same thing the OD does... but I wouldnt.. becuase every day.. less and less people buy it.. thats why this paper is going crazy into its online investment. to compete against individuals that it knows are going to bury it.
What makes me different than a TV station?? they paid alot more money for the cameras they use and a ton more money to transmit those images over the air... when less and less people every day invite those transmissions into thier houses. More and more people turn to Podcasts, satalite radio and tv and even.... THE INTERNET for news....
Dave you make good points... and if there was anything they could do about them that would make a difference they probably would.... but you should just sit back and let the tv station die with what little dignity it has left.
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Post by Swimmy on Feb 9, 2008 15:40:21 GMT -5
The tv station won't necessarily die, they could just as easily convert to the Internet with podcasts, etc. The way to fund it is through advertisements and boasting that it's where you can get your local news first. They can still survive. But I don't see the tv station going away anytime soon.
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Post by frankcor on Feb 9, 2008 16:55:05 GMT -5
I still think no one has yet figured out a business model that will support the cost of reporters. Do you notice that the three broadcast networks, CNN and Fox have few or no international correspondents on their payrolls? They all have "partners" or sister-networks -- Fox uses Sky News in Britain. Unless a huge story is breaking like the London subway bombings, you won't see American talking heads standing in front of any off-shore cameras Don't think my ears didn't perk up when Los Jibaros suggested I might get paid to write my opinions, though.  Maybe I should go get a trench coat, fedora and writing pad and start tracking down stories. I know Fox news is always looking for film -- they have a You Report button on their web site for uploading videos and photos. I saw some pretty poor quality cell-phone pictures on CNN and MSNBC of the tornadoes that hit west of Clipper yesterday. They'd probably pay good money for shots of crying babies or dead people. Los Jibaros might be seeing the future. |
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Post by Swimmy on Feb 9, 2008 18:18:29 GMT -5
I'm sure as part of the deal of uploading those videos, as part of their terms and license agreement you waive all property interests in your video and allow them to reproduce it and edit it as they see fit. I remember I had to sign an agreement to that effect when I was published on U.S. Newsweek.com back in 1999.
Why would fox and cnn go through the trouble of hiring international reporters when the BBC, NPR, and the Associated Press have that all shored up fairly well. Unless those news firms are doing a 20/20 type story, you rarely see American reporters. I wonder if it has anything to do with Geraldo Rivera giving away how we were tracking bin laden...
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Post by dgriffin on Feb 9, 2008 18:25:18 GMT -5
I think Los is right, but early. Maybe the future model will look something like YouTube, where you zero in on what grabs your interest. Maybe today's news "institutions" will crumble and The News will be a gigantic YouTube Backyard fence. Can you imagine what the politicians will do when there is no vehicle to reach the masses? You can't? Neither can I. They won't let it happen.
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Post by Swimmy on Feb 9, 2008 18:42:15 GMT -5
But you'll always need to get the news from somewhere. Unless all the journalists become freelance and make you pay to view their blogs. That will put a damper on trying to get the full story and not just some news agency's spin on the facts.
I see the print media dwindling next to nothing, but I don't foresee the news companies themselves caving and falling under as you two predict. There will always be a CNN, but not necessarily a New York Times print edition.
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Post by dgriffin on Feb 9, 2008 20:17:23 GMT -5
Sure, I agree. I think we're talking about a process of change that's difficult to predict. The Internet 's a prime example of what was definitely not predicted. I read an interesting book last year, "Creation of the Media," in which the author handily dismissed some of our notions of "free press" and how we think the press got the way it is. It wasn't free. It was often government subsidized, often regulated. And to prove his theses, he compared the US media with same in Europe, showing how the differences were due to many different factors, culture and government goals.
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Post by Swimmy on Feb 9, 2008 20:51:14 GMT -5
That's the other thing I was about to mention. The media still gets the majority of its news from the government and what the government gives them. I don't see that changing anytime soon.
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Post by frankcor on Feb 9, 2008 23:46:27 GMT -5
Maybe we'll get used to un-vetted news stories. Heck, many of the major dailies are printing retractions every few months because they printed a story before fully checking their facts. But if the news becomes like Wikipedia where any subscriber can submit a story regardless of whether or not it is based in fact, the world will be a very different place than it is today.
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Post by dgriffin on Feb 10, 2008 0:14:16 GMT -5
There you go, Frankcor, your million dollar idea, WikiNews. Based on the model where if enough people participate, it's bound to become true. Maybe it wouldn't work though. Wikipedia probably does work, because people aren't trying to game it.
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Post by dgriffin on Feb 10, 2008 0:17:20 GMT -5
Whoops, should have Google'd first. There IS a wiki news. I'm off to see how it works.
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Post by frankcor on Feb 10, 2008 0:17:27 GMT -5
You're right. Imagine if politicians like Joe Griffo or officials like Steve DiMeo could write their own news stories and not just rely on their taxpayer funded promotional materials to get their spin in print.
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Post by frankcor on Feb 10, 2008 0:18:44 GMT -5
I'm right behind you Dave.
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Post by frankcor on Feb 10, 2008 0:28:46 GMT -5
Well, that's very interesting. I read two stories, one on Scotland Yard's findings in the cause of death of Mrs. Bhutto. Both were well written (certainly a higher level of writing that what is usually found in the OD or WKTV's web site) but without a by-line, I get a sense that I have no idea who wrote it and what their sources are. In the Bhutto story they site the Scotland Yard report but there's no telling if the writer had ever even seen the report. This is going to take a closer look before I can decide on whether or not Wiki News is trustworthy. But it's like Wikipedia, for sure, where anyone can challenge a story.
I use Wikipedia often, but I have yet to make a decision based on information that I learned there without first checking a second, reliable source.
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Maybe I should go get a trench coat, fedora and writing pad and start tracking down stories. I know Fox news is always looking for film -- they have a You Report button on their web site for uploading videos and photos. I saw some pretty poor quality cell-phone pictures on CNN and MSNBC of the tornadoes that hit west of Clipper yesterday. They'd probably pay good money for shots of crying babies or dead people. Los Jibaros might be seeing the future.