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Post by JGRobinson on Mar 25, 2011 6:31:12 GMT -5
www.uticaod.com/features/x911069875/Census-numbers-released. How are these Numbers to be interpreted, this should be good news? Some are replying in anger because they don't want even legal Immigrants to fill the Voids left by the "Real Americans" who abandoned Utica for the Burbs or even other states. I think If Utica survives this decade it will be because of the Immigrants and New Americans not in spite of them, What say You? JR
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Post by JGRobinson on Mar 25, 2011 7:10:39 GMT -5
No slam was intended on those that have left, there are countless realities and reasons for why the cities have become less than desirable places to raise a family or retire....
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Post by dgriffin on Mar 25, 2011 7:17:32 GMT -5
I would say you have a good chance of being correct. You can't beat arithmetic for getting it right. If WASP/C's keep moving out and Latinos and Asians and Africans move in ... then add the different birth rates into the equation ... of the course the city demographic isn't going to look like 1958.
However, two thoughts. First, what's new? My grandfather ... the sober English one .... was no doubt alarmed by the number of Italians who were moving to Utica. And yet look at the beauty Italy has lent the city. Not only that, two generations after my grandfather I grew up in neighborhoods mixed with Irish, Italian and Poles and except for our differing abilities in getting a tan at the beach, never thought there were differences among us. (And my parents were careful not to point any out.)
Second, why think in terms of cities? 100 years ago the cultural differences between town and country were such that cities were thought of as culturally important, as well as being business and political centers. I would say that is rapidly reversing itself. Some may lament it, but I believe the cities are no longer as important as a century ago. They are becoming holding tanks for the poor. And cities are becoming money pits.
Do we have a Roman scholar among us? Someone who knows Gibbon? I know Cicero tried to get out of Rome as often as possible for health and comfort reasons. But that's just because I just finished a book about him a year ago. I'm wondering where the literati and the culture and political base moved later when Rome began its descent. Maybe nowhere. Maybe that was one of the problems.
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Post by clarencebunsen on Mar 25, 2011 7:41:01 GMT -5
Sorry Dave, my last reading of Decline & Fall was in the early 60's. I do recall that from 330 onward many considered Constantinople to be the center of imperial culture and Rome a place for increasingly irrelevant politicians.
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Post by firstamendment on Mar 25, 2011 7:42:54 GMT -5
Most recently there has been a huge influx of Asian refugees in Utica. Demographics for Utica will probably reflect this.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2011 10:02:43 GMT -5
I was surprised to hear that the Black population is moving back to the Southeast due in part to no more discrimination. I was also surprised to hear that the Spanish population made major increases in their numbers along with more people claiming themselves to be mixed racial. It is noting the the Black population rate remained stable.It is also noteworthy that the Asian population is increasing especially in San Francisco and LA. I think that is in part to their job marketing in high tech employment fields.
I think the Utica area will be undergoing a definite ethnic turnover. What with more and more larger numbers of refuge's and immigrants Utica will be changing. Last week I met several new Utica n's from Syria and Lebanon. I had most enjoyable talk with them.
I do think that in cases like Somali refuge's the Refugee must do a better job of teaching them how to use household items that they are not aware of, like stove's. Some were placing charcoal on top of the stove and using the electric burners to ignite the charcoal. That problem has since been solved, at least that is what my source has said.
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Post by JGRobinson on Mar 25, 2011 12:13:51 GMT -5
Its funny, Utica was a melting pot but it was a very divided one. One could almost feel like they were in another country from one area to another. Now its just a mix of a little of everything!
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Post by Swimmy on Mar 25, 2011 12:40:42 GMT -5
But the racists are more boisterous than ever before!
While the population has increased, I fear that our fearless "leaders" will interpret this as a pat on the back for doing the same old practices: tax and spend. I would be more interested to see how many jobs were filled and how many of those increased numbers are still unemployed or on some sort of public assistance, be it tanf, cash assistance, heap, wic, food stamps, medicaid, ssi, ssd, etc.
I doubt the influx has anything to do with the area being more attractive for them as opposed to family already being here, despite no jobs, and no new businesses existing here.
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Post by firstamendment on Mar 25, 2011 12:43:41 GMT -5
The influx has more to do with the ultra low cost of living here than anything else. Certainly was not the draw of high paying jobs. I would be interested in seeing the demographics of the census because I am sure it will reflect the refugee migration.
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Post by JGRobinson on Mar 25, 2011 13:24:50 GMT -5
But the racists are more boisterous than ever before!, seems that they are, they would rather see the city empty than filled with anyone not born here. So sad...
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