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Post by stoney on Feb 11, 2011 9:41:18 GMT -5
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Post by firstamendment on Mar 12, 2011 19:14:20 GMT -5
The bonding measure was passed in haste. I stated before about this, this legislature won't finally make any real progress until it is forced to do so by the State. And this is the proof.
Over 10 years they have been dragging their heels on this. The studies that La Bella Associates conducted are well outdated now, at least 5 years old. Now more studies will no doubt need to be done and new plans developed for the proposed facility. This legislature has wasted so much time and money it is sickening. If they had acted on this 10 years ago, its possible the jail could have been built and maybe even paid for by now.
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Post by stoney on Mar 13, 2011 19:46:14 GMT -5
I agree, but look what they've had to contend with. Chilelli & his minions..  |
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Post by firstamendment on Mar 13, 2011 20:14:56 GMT -5
Chilelli was but one legislator, a democrat among a majority of republicans.
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Post by stoney on Mar 14, 2011 17:30:59 GMT -5
I received a call from Chilelli when he was taking that so-called survey of Herkimer County residents with regard to the jail proposal. It was a totally skewed & not at all viable survey. He tried to wave the results of that around as if to say the residents were against the jail, but that wasn't the case.
I don't think party politics play so much of a part in regional issues as they do in national. I know that my legislator is also Republican (as are most of them) but he is as liberal as I am.
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Post by firstamendment on Mar 14, 2011 17:38:43 GMT -5
I received a call from Chilelli when he was taking that so-called survey of Herkimer County residents with regard to the jail proposal. It was a totally skewed & not at all viable survey. He tried to wave the results of that around as if to say the residents were against the jail, but that wasn't the case. I don't think party politics play so much of a part in regional issues as they do in national. I know that my legislator is also Republican (as are most of them) but he is as liberal as I am. Before he actually got started with the phone calling, I emailed him about how unscientific his survey was. They had it up online before the calling started. He wanted to show there was support against the jail, but did it in such a way that make him look foolish and his group look unorganized. Their postion was that of a NIMBY issue, but what they didn't consider was how the jail has always been in someone's backyard for decades. Its Herkimer County, you'd be suprised at how much politics plays a role. Herkimer county, like all counties in NYS, has to have a jail. They can sit there and fight a losing battle with the NYS Corrections Commision or they can finally wake up and realize its time to get things done. Boarding out is not a long term solution. Its only a temporary fix. |
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Post by stoney on Mar 15, 2011 8:47:50 GMT -5
Good for you, F.A.!! It was a terrible survey & did not have mutually exclusive answers. He would have gotten an 'F' in Sociology 101.
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Post by firstamendment on Mar 15, 2011 9:00:59 GMT -5
Prior to them actually conducting the "survey", I know he contacted Zogby International. I know one of the sales guys there for a long time. It was going to cost several thousand dollars, so to a grass roots group like Concerned Citizens, it was out of their price range. It would have beneficial to him and the group to have found someone with experience in that area who could develop methodology and a proper survey instrument for them. Zogby might have been willing to assist in that area for a lower price while Chilelli et al actually conducted the survey themselves. I am quite sure Editorial could have developed him a script for a very well worded survey.
Another issue also is with a smaller sample size it increases the margin of error.
I understood what he and the group were trying to accomplish but it was not executed well. Even if I didn't agree with why they were fighting the jail, I would have rather seen them make a good effort rather than a half-assed one.
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Post by stoney on Mar 15, 2011 9:59:49 GMT -5
Hell, I could have conducted a much better survey for him. But of course then the outcome wouldn't have been so skewed in his favor, as it would have been truthful, scientific, & a better representation of the citizens' opinion.
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Post by dgriffin on Mar 15, 2011 19:21:32 GMT -5
Prior to them actually conducting the "survey", I know he contacted Zogby International. I know one of the sales guys there for a long time. It was going to cost several thousand dollars, so to a grass roots group like Concerned Citizens, it was out of their price range. It would have beneficial to him and the group to have found someone with experience in that area who could develop methodology and a proper survey instrument for them. Zogby might have been willing to assist in that area for a lower price while Chilelli et al actually conducted the survey themselves. I am quite sure Editorial could have developed him a script for a very well worded survey. Another issue also is with a smaller sample size it increases the margin of error. I understood what he and the group were trying to accomplish but it was not executed well. Even if I didn't agree with why they were fighting the jail, I would have rather seen them make a good effort rather than a half-assed one. Did he use a telephone directory or did he just pigeon hole people at the mall? Used appropriately, the telephone book can be considered a cross section, or it used to be. Accosting participants on the street or in the mall is too selective, not really random. And as you mention, the questions' wording is all important. |
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Post by firstamendment on Mar 15, 2011 20:57:45 GMT -5
I know they had it up online. they also conducted paper surveys. I am not sure if they did them in libraries or if they made phone calls, but I believe they were making phone calls.
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Post by Clipper on Mar 16, 2011 0:02:18 GMT -5
You can buy mailing lists from places like PJ Green. I bought them when I sent out advertising for my business in the late nineties. You tell them the area you want to target and the demographic you wish to aim the ads at and they provide you with names and addresses fitting into that pigeon hole. You can also purchase telephone lists or pay companies to do your survey with auto dialing by telephone. The OD used to use an auto dialer to canvas for new subscribers.
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Post by firstamendment on Mar 16, 2011 9:17:42 GMT -5
I knew PJ Green did mailings for companies but I did not realize they also had lists.
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Post by stoney on Mar 16, 2011 9:56:27 GMT -5
Chilelli called me; how he got my #, I have no idea as it appears as a Utica #.
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Post by Clipper on Mar 16, 2011 13:56:03 GMT -5
First amendment, you are correct. After giving it more thought I remember that I DID pay them to do the bulk mailing from such a list. I picked the area and demographic I wanted to target and they did the actual mailing. Sorry to have given you erroneous information.
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