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Post by Clipper on Feb 28, 2011 11:42:30 GMT -5
We are just among the privileged few Corner. Where else could you have been stabbed, shot and abused by every damn parolee in the upstate area, and get paid for it?
Where else could I have waded in burning jet fuel, or gotten blown out of a hall way and covered with burning lacquer thinner? Thank you American taxpayer for paying us a "moderate" wage for the privilege of risking our asses in potentially fatal circumstances. WE are just simply ungrateful slobs Corner. Civil servants really should just knock it off and take an entitlement check from the county, or flip a few burgers. What the hell would we want to get an education or hone any skill set for, when there is so little gratitude, and so many free money programs out there for NOT working?
Why would anyone want to spend 4 or 6 years in college to pursue a teaching career, just so every little miscreant bastard child in the world could abuse you, refuse to learn, and be defended by parents who are even more ignorant than the kid?
Why would anyone want to be a cop so they could get shot trying to enforce the drug laws and trying to arrest little gangster wannabes with a pocket full of dope and a stolen weapon?
Public employees certainly are a waste of money. People should just get a garden hose and defend their OWN homes from fire. Rather than to have family courts and judges, people should just raise their own kids to be just like them. Deadbeat fathers and professional baby makers, pumping out kids for an increase in benefits.
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Post by corner on Feb 28, 2011 12:33:09 GMT -5
im tired clipp of peoplelike the author i respnded to blaming people like us for the woes of the taxpayer especially when 40 bucks out of every hundred i made went into the tax coffers to support baby making welfare willies to pay isreal egypt s korea n korea and others billions to be our friends or at least dont annoy usi earned my pension and paid into ss i want that back too.
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Post by Clipper on Feb 28, 2011 13:31:35 GMT -5
I guess your next question to that person would be who pays for HIS healthcare and retirement. I worked harder for the government than on any other job I worked in my entire lifetime, and worked just about every waking hour that I wasn't on the government job, driving a truck or bus for the SS benefit that I paid into. Even part time I paid more in than some people did working under SS full time. While I KNOW I worked very hard and deserve every freaking dime of my pension and social security, all I can say to those naysayers is eat your hearts out. I worked for and planned for MY retirement. If you by chance don't have a retirement that is worth a shit, maybe you should have planned a little better or worked a little harder, period.
Just because the lazy and entitled didn't plan doesn't mean that I should share mine with them. This redistribution of wealth crap is BS. Hope some of that is over come 2012. My pension and SS didn't get a raise this year, but I bet the welfare checks and food program allotments have risen in that same period.
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Post by corner on Feb 28, 2011 15:18:22 GMT -5
i too planned for my retirement and part of the plan included ss for which i paid over 140,000 into and i want every nickle plus interest back again it was not a charitable donation.
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Post by clarencebunsen on Feb 28, 2011 15:38:28 GMT -5
The unfortunate thing about Social Security is that the money that you & I and Dave & Clipper paid in did not go to fund our retirements. It was used as operating funds to pay those collecting during our working years. So yes, in a sense it was a charitable donation.
The money to pay us is supposed to come from those in the workforce during our retirement. Unfortunately, there aren't enough of them to support us. The problem has been recognized for a long time & about 20 years ago we decided to start paying a little extra (did you know you agreed to that?) to build up the so called SS Trust Fund.
The excess funds were used to buy government bonds to fund operating expenses of the federal government over the past 2 decades. So now our kids have to fund our social security plus pay back the bonds (loans).
Thank heavens the fund wasn't privatised! Considering the crashes in 1999-2000 & 2008-2009 the fund would have only tripled.
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Post by dgriffin on Feb 28, 2011 23:28:48 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2011 4:56:20 GMT -5
Click twice using Firefox to enlarge to readable size.Compensation gap by state for public, private workersState and local government workers earn more than private-sector workers in 41 states. Average compensation (including salaries and benefits) in 2009 and difference with private-sector workers: www.windsweptpress.com/images/comp delta.jpg [/img] Article at: www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2011-03-01-1Apublicworkers01_ST_N.htm[/quote]Ok, so what? Just because the private sector has slashed pay & benefits for the rank & file {not upper management} does that mean we all have to work for lousy pay & benfits? This country is fast becoming a plutocracy with the middle class dissapearing while the wealthy continue to live off of everyone else. Witness the $800 billion tax breaks for millionaires recently extended while the same elitists complain that the country is broke. That $800 billion is going to be paid for by the middle class, that's why the likes of Boehner, McConnell, Walker & their ilk want to attack public sector employees, social security, medicare, & other social programs. That $800 billion has to come from somewhere & the suckers that go out & work every day are going to be digging deep, & that includes retirees like Clipper & Corner who worked all their lives in order to have a decent retirement. I'm 8 years shy of retirement. And I'll be damned if I'm going to give up what I've worked for, in order to help finance tax breaks for millionaires.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2011 5:16:40 GMT -5
If Cuomo wants to help solve this state's budget mess then perhaps he should look into the $6 billion in corporate welfare given out to the private sector every year via tax breaks, grants, PILOT agreemnts & what have you. There is no accountability of what economic benefits are being realised by the state, no proof of actual job creation or anything else for that matter. Where is the Manhattan Institute or the Empire Center for Economic Development, both financed by the likes of Bank of America, Chase, Wall St., firms, etc. on this issue? The above continually attack public sector employees, including teachers & cops, while fattening their wallets off the backs of the average citizen. Cuomo is silent on this issue, so we know he's beholden to. Yea, let's cut health care for kids, the disabled & seniors while a select few such as the above benefit from CORPORATE WELFARE. It's pathetic.
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Post by clarencebunsen on Mar 1, 2011 6:19:33 GMT -5
Ok, so what? Just because the private sector has slashed pay & benefits for the rank & file {not upper management} does that mean we all have to work for lousy pay & benfits? This country is fast becoming a plutocracy with the middle class dissapearing while the wealthy continue to live off of everyone else. Witness the $800 billion tax breaks for millionaires recently extended while the same elitists complain that the country is broke. That $800 billion is going to be paid for by the middle class, that's why the likes of Boehner, McConnell, Walker & their ilk want to attack public sector employees, social security, medicare, & other social programs. That $800 billion has to come from somewhere & the suckers that go out & work every day are going to be digging deep, & that includes retirees like Clipper & Corner who worked all their lives in order to have a decent retirement. I'm 8 years shy of retirement. And I'll be damned if I'm going to give up what I've worked for, in order to help finance tax breaks for millionaires. That same extension of tax rates that President Obama and Congressional leadership agreed upon in late December also avoided a multi-trillion dollar tax increase for those of us in lower tax brackets.
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Post by dgriffin on Mar 1, 2011 11:05:51 GMT -5
So what? So I can't afford it, that's so what. I don't believe we're saying you and other public servants aren't deserving of your pay and benefits, although there are indeed too many of you writing and enforcing a blizzard of regulations that are unnecessary and wasteful. I'm saying your compensation packages are no longer affordable and should not average more than that for private sector workers. Sure, get rid of waste and payments to special interests first. They shouldn't exist in the first place. That's a task for our new governor. Watch him talk circles around it and not do much about it. I'm tired of paying salaries and benefits to federal, state and local public employees who are unnecessary and I'm tired of paying beyond the average of other non-public workers and it isn't a matter of what's deserved.
I've told this story before, but when a local county comptroller retired the newspaper ran two photos of him seated in his office, one taken thirty years before when he was new on the job and the other taken recently. In the old photo a typical industrial clock sit on a bare institutional wall as he sits at his 3x5 foot desk in a cubicle located at the end of an office pool of sorts. In the modern photo, a clock that must have cost $500 sits on an oak paneled wall as the comptroller sits behind a massive polished wood desk while his secretary and two assistants provide him some paper work to sign. That's thirty years of progress.
My local fire district's number of homes and businesses in the last thirty years has enlarged by only a dozen homes and in fact now has less operating businesses than years ago. Meanwhile, the fire district has added an extra pumper truck, a separate new hose truck, an all terrain "rescue truck," a food serving bus, a handie talkie to each fireman, an ambulance-like vehicle and a new building that's three times the size of the old one. For what? I asked the local ex-chief, a friend. His answer was "state regulations."
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Post by dgriffin on Mar 1, 2011 12:27:11 GMT -5
And by the way, there is little wasteful spending on goods and supplies in my school district that I'm aware of, and yet my school taxes have have exploded yearly to fantastic numbers. I now pay property taxes equal each year to almost a quarter of the entire price I paid for the house 30 years ago! Part of that is reduced state aid, but a lot of it is personnel costs, pay and benefits, the latter of which teachers refuse to pay any more than 5% of it's cost. Each school building in the local district has had to double the size of their parking lots in the past ten years, even though student population is dwindling. And these are not for parent parking. They are for more and more employees. For less students.
And no one but a public employee gets to retire on 75% of their salary. That is far beyond private sector standards. Why should I pay for that?
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Post by dgriffin on Mar 1, 2011 13:36:04 GMT -5
And further more ..... Gee, this is no fun. Having to wait until dawn tomorrow when he comes back to continue arguing with Kracker
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2011 20:05:40 GMT -5
So what? So I can't afford it, that's so what. I don't believe we're saying you and other public servants aren't deserving of your pay and benefits, although there are indeed too many of you writing and enforcing a blizzard of regulations that are unnecessary and wasteful. I'm saying your compensation packages are no longer affordable and should not average more than that for private sector workers. Sure, get rid of waste and payments to special interests first. They shouldn't exist in the first place. That's a task for our new governor. Watch him talk circles around it and not do much about it. I'm tired of paying salaries and benefits to federal, state and local public employees who are unnecessary and I'm tired of paying beyond the average of other non-public workers and it isn't a matter of what's deserved. I've told this story before, but when a local county comptroller retired the newspaper ran two photos of him seated in his office, one taken thirty years before when he was new on the job and the other taken recently. In the old photo a typical industrial clock sit on a bare institutional wall as he sits at his 3x5 foot desk in a cubicle located at the end of an office pool of sorts. In the modern photo, a clock that must have cost $500 sits on an oak paneled wall as the comptroller sits behind a massive polished wood desk while his secretary and two assistants provide him some paper work to sign. That's thirty years of progress. My local fire district's number of homes and businesses in the last thirty years has enlarged by only a dozen homes and in fact now has less operating businesses than years ago. Meanwhile, the fire district has added an extra pumper truck, a separate new hose truck, an all terrain "rescue truck," a food serving bus, a handie talkie to each fireman, an ambulance-like vehicle and a new building that's three times the size of the old one. For what? I asked the local ex-chief, a friend. His answer was "state regulations." Oh, so it's the public sector employees fault that state's are in trouble? Ya think maybe it has to do with the fact that millions are out of work after the meltdwon? That tax receipts are way dow, or that millions are collecting unemployment or welfare because they can't find work? Where's your outrage over Wall St. bankers who caused this mess? Or are public sector employees an easier target?
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Post by dgriffin on Mar 2, 2011 0:13:36 GMT -5
So what? So I can't afford it, that's so what. I don't believe we're saying you and other public servants aren't deserving of your pay and benefits, although there are indeed too many of you writing and enforcing a blizzard of regulations that are unnecessary and wasteful. I'm saying your compensation packages are no longer affordable and should not average more than that for private sector workers. Sure, get rid of waste and payments to special interests first. They shouldn't exist in the first place. That's a task for our new governor. Watch him talk circles around it and not do much about it. I'm tired of paying salaries and benefits to federal, state and local public employees who are unnecessary and I'm tired of paying beyond the average of other non-public workers and it isn't a matter of what's deserved. I've told this story before, but when a local county comptroller retired the newspaper ran two photos of him seated in his office, one taken thirty years before when he was new on the job and the other taken recently. In the old photo a typical industrial clock sit on a bare institutional wall as he sits at his 3x5 foot desk in a cubicle located at the end of an office pool of sorts. In the modern photo, a clock that must have cost $500 sits on an oak paneled wall as the comptroller sits behind a massive polished wood desk while his secretary and two assistants provide him some paper work to sign. That's thirty years of progress. My local fire district's number of homes and businesses in the last thirty years has enlarged by only a dozen homes and in fact now has less operating businesses than years ago. Meanwhile, the fire district has added an extra pumper truck, a separate new hose truck, an all terrain "rescue truck," a food serving bus, a handie talkie to each fireman, an ambulance-like vehicle and a new building that's three times the size of the old one. For what? I asked the local ex-chief, a friend. His answer was "state regulations." Oh, so it's the public sector employees fault that state's are in trouble?[/b] Ya think maybe it has to do with the fact that millions are out of work after the meltdwon? That tax receipts are way dow, or that millions are collecting unemployment or welfare because they can't find work? Where's your outrage over Wall St. bankers who caused this mess? Or are public sector employees an easier target? Well, yes it's the public sector's fault, if included in that group are the politicians. And my outrage is is directed at anyone who takes my money and wastes it, be the outfit private or public, either a politician or a bureaucrat in a public agency who thinks he or she can just continue to spend. Kracker, I don't think unemployment is the total problem with revenues. There have been times in the past when the economy contracted, tax collections suffered but taxes didn't shoot up. Of federal and state taxes combined, the income tax accounts for only 1/3 of revenues and the average among the states is less than a quarter of revenues. www.usgovernmentrevenue.com/But you're taking us away from the issue here. Do you disagree that New York state's bureaucracy is bloated with needless jobs and regulations? Do you think people should be paying for a government they can't afford? If this were a democracy, don't you think we'd all walk down to the town hall and tell the fools responsible for the spending that we'll have to cut back for a while because no one has any money? You'd think all the people out of work who are still paying property taxes and sales taxes and hidden taxes would be leading the mob. Well we have a republic, not a democracy, so it is our politicians who are supposed to cut spending. But when those who want to offer legislation try, the Liberal Left calls them no good robber barons who want to starve the working man.
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Post by stoney on Mar 2, 2011 14:17:13 GMT -5
Anyone want a mint?
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