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Post by Clipper on Dec 29, 2010 18:33:52 GMT -5
That's the kind of thing that goes on in South America and Eastern Europe, not in the USA. Be real. Our world is in need of more than police with iron boots to straighten our drug problems and wise mouthed youth. That problem needs to be addressed at home when these punks are little.
I am sorry, I am not going to condone that kind of behavior. You mean I should have to worry about questioning a cop about why I was stopped in a traffic stop, and worry about him kicking my ass and beating me with a club instead of answering my question? I understand that cops have it rough, but if they don't want to be exposed to the dangers, there are other professions. It's kind of the same old story. "Ya knew the job was dangerous when you took it". Sad but true.
I would be more inclined to advocate parents being able to bust some asses at home rather than cops busting heads. The discipline and respect problems don't need to make it to the streets.
My thing would be that cops are not PAID enough for the danger they face, but they damn sure don't need to be free to bust heads and assault people.
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Post by bobbbiez on Dec 29, 2010 20:33:24 GMT -5
My thing would be that cops are not PAID enough for the danger they face, but they damn sure don't need to be free to bust heads and assault people.  Ah, but the criminals are.  |
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Post by bobbbiez on Dec 29, 2010 20:54:47 GMT -5
I am sorry, I am not going to condone that kind of behavior. You mean I should have to worry about questioning a cop about why I was stopped in a traffic stop, and worry about him kicking my ass and beating me with a club instead of answering my question? Geez, I was no angel in my younger years and got in enough trouble growing up, especially with my heavy foot when driving, but I must be from a different school cause in my whole life I was never worried or afraid to ask or answer any question when stopped by an officer even during the "good old boy's" time. When I got stopped I knew exactly what I did wrong and had enough common sense to be respectable and co-operate with the officer and not cause myself any further grief. For me that's what it boils down to.  |
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Post by Clipper on Dec 29, 2010 21:18:48 GMT -5
What he hell BZ. What if I have a light out? If I ask a cop what he stopped me for, I would not want some wise ass cop with an attitude to bust my head because HE was the asshole. Not me. Cops owe it to you to answer a perfectly logical question. I have ALWAYS respected law enforcement and I damned sure expect law enforcement to respect me. You just seem to want to carry this frigging thing on and on and on. COPS DO NOT BELONG SIMPLY BUSTING HEADS WITHOUT SIGNIFICANT JUSTIFICATION! PERIOD! No matter what your opinion may be THAT IS THE LAW!  If nothing else, you are persistent, hahaha.  |
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Post by bobbbiez on Dec 30, 2010 0:25:32 GMT -5
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Post by clarencebunsen on Dec 30, 2010 6:27:14 GMT -5
If the cops arrest a mime, do they tell him he has the right to remain silent?
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Post by dgriffin on Dec 30, 2010 8:24:52 GMT -5
If I were a cop, I can just imagine pulling Bz over and regretting it. Bobbbiez, you are such a terror that it's amazing you're still walking around free. I understand what TonyJ was saying and I sometimes wish for the old days, too, and wonder like Bz if things would be better if we let the cops become punks themselves to beat up other punks. But Paul Zogby and Mike T. were old hands at keeping the peace and the world was different back then. Police work in that day could best be done offensively by occasionally shaking up the constant troublemakers. I don't think the cops broke any bones, though. Believe it or not, there was almost a family atmosphere about it, because these men came from the same working class families they were policing. I got in trouble one time, told the cop my Uncle Billy was a cop and eventually it was my father who disciplined me. What made me feel worse was that I had embarrassed my father in front of his peers. That's what is called a signal event and represents what has probably changed the most in our society ... a lack of personal responsibility. We no longer have relationships in a city or neighborhood like the old days. |
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Post by clarencebunsen on Dec 30, 2010 11:22:41 GMT -5
When my brother was 17 or so he was picked up one night for fighting in a parking lot. The local cop called my father and after a short discussion they agreed that one night in jail was an appropriate punishment. The next morning my father went down to the police station, picked him up & brought him home. No official arrest, no court, no record.
I can't see that happening now.
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Post by Clipper on Dec 30, 2010 11:28:37 GMT -5
ROFL. Calm my jets? That's funny. The name of the game was to light yours, hahaha. Mom to two cops I knew what your opinion would be before we started this back and forth. Yes, I know of cases where cops have been assaulted, such as the Utica cop who was assaulted and knocked down, hitting his head on the curb, and I also didn't agree with the case of the cops pushing the guy down with cuffs on when he was too drunk to stand or give them any resistance anyhow. At 63 yrs old I don't worry a whole lot about being involved with a policeman unless I call one. I was just busting your chops. Carry on mam. |
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Post by bobbbiez on Dec 30, 2010 12:41:19 GMT -5
You are such an assh**e! Don't think for one minute I don't know where you're coming from most of the time. Listen, being the Mom to two cops (which I must add, two with over 20 yrs of excellent records and both have been attacked on their jobs) has very little to do with how I feel about the crime on the streets today. You know I live in a target area and I see the disrespect given to a police officer who is called to a crime scene. How the hell does someone have the b*lls to call for help and then attacks the cop who comes to help them? It's a very sick world we live in today but.......... Getting back to the topic. Being from the old school would you ever even consider flipping a cop off? Sorry but I'm not buying the "excuse" of one's Constitutional rights of what ever. Speaking for myself that is a gesture that is most offensive and disrespectful to give to anyone never mind a cop. When I see that coming from someone I see a very low-life class person who doesn't have any mentality in their vocabulary. Comes a time when respect should always be the rule and that is what is lacking in this society today. ps: I hope the guy took the $4,000 and invested it in an English class. ;D
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Post by Clipper on Dec 30, 2010 13:06:21 GMT -5
Well, no doubt there are smarter things to do than to flip off a cop while driving. That should be right up there with texting and talking on a cell phone. Who can possibly concentrate on their driving while they have that finger up to the side window, not to mention it is probably obstructing their vision in that direction. Heck they stop you for having a pine tree hanging with a graduation tassel. I can't imagine how much more obstructed one's line of sight might be by a big fat "bird" held high, haha.
The sad thing is that people sue for most anything in todays world, and probably someone like the ACLU would go to court with this guy and defend his right to flip off a cop. As for the harassment from the cops with the extra tickets, I guess it is a case of "if ya wanna dance, ya have to put a quarter in the juke box now and then." I have to pause and wonder how much the whole cost of the litigation was for both parties to come to that $4,000 settlement, and how much court time was involved when something more important could have been handled by the court during that time.
This is not a legal situation that the UPD and the City of Utica are unfamiliar with. Look at the lawsuits from Patterson over his cabaret and after hours place, and that other bar that he ran. It seems to me that it all comes down to a peeing contest between someone that was politically dumped as DPW Commish and went from there to an all out battle to litigate money out of the city in one way or another, while flaunting illegal activity in his businesses in the face of the police.
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Post by Clipper on Dec 30, 2010 13:14:27 GMT -5
"If I were a cop, I can just imagine pulling Bz over and regretting it. Bobbbiez, you are such a terror that it's amazing you're still walking around free." The cop that stopped her would release her just to restore peace and quiet. People would probably hear her and would be out on their porches wondering what the disturbance was all about, haha.
"Speaking for myself that is a gesture that is most offensive and disrespectful to give to anyone never mind a cop. "Nahh. It IS a gesture that should be saved for "special recipients" and not just thrown around wrecklessly. Sometimes an occasion arises when words simply don't suffice. ROFL I received a few of them when I drove a truck. When we would climb a long hill, and cars would be stuck behind us, I would receive a whole bouquet of them when the road flattened out and those cars passed me, hahaha.
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Post by bobbbiez on Dec 30, 2010 13:17:51 GMT -5
Yep, very sad but all of what you state is the truth. Especially in Patterson's case where all the neighbors living near his bars constantly complained to their council people and to the police that the situation was getting out of hand at those bars and dangerous for the surrounding area. They were the ones demanding the police and city do something to close him down and yet he comes out on top. Something wrong with that whole picture. 
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Post by bobbbiez on Dec 30, 2010 13:29:10 GMT -5
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Post by bobbbiez on Dec 30, 2010 13:37:18 GMT -5
The sad thing is that people sue for most anything in todays world, and probably someone like the ACLU would go to court with this guy and defend his right to flip off a cop. As for the harassment from the cops with the extra tickets, I guess it is a case of "if ya wanna dance, ya have to put a quarter in the juke box now and then." Hey, if I was that cop I know I would have done the same if not worse. ;D There is probably more to the story then just flipping off the cop. Most of the time there always is. |
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Ah, but the criminals are. 
If nothing else, you are persistent, hahaha. 
