Post by clipper220 on Jan 26, 2008 14:57:26 GMT -5
Well, Jrcummings, I can see where this one is a sensitive issue for you. I will only shed a little light on my opinion of the situation.
There are a lot of "ifs" and factors to be considered to make an "educated" comment on this particular subject. Unfortunately, if we weren't there, we don't actually know the true story.
Of course you believe your aunt. I would not respect you much if you didn't. I also believe that problem may have been precipitated by the store owner. I have seen over the years that people from some foreign nations are brought up with no concept of civil rights or tolerance for others. "Civil" and "rights" are both unheard of in some countries. Koreans and blacks have an especially documented record of problems in NY City. It seems that people from the middle east and the orient gravitate toward retail business. They also seem to gravitate toward the inner city neighborhoods and don't assimilate into the cultures and community activities where they settle. They seem to only be there for the money, and often take advantage of and disrespect their customers. They also tend to be prejudiced racially.
As far as your feelings toward the storeowner, when returning from Iraq, I was the same way when I returned from Viet Nam. I had a vietnamese guy get mouthy with me once in a store. I told him that he needed to shut the "f" up. That I might have killed his grandpa, messed with his mama, and would not think twice about sending him to visit his ancestors in the hereafter. ( I, by the way, never slept with a vietnamese woman while there, and was busy watching my back, not looking for a date, haha)
No excuse for the kid's behavior. Also no excuse if there was inproper conduct by the cops. They should be punished, if guilty. No man, especially a police officer, should be throwing a woman to the ground, if there is any other alternative at all available.
The saddest part of this whole situation, is that what started out with a routine police call, could well have evolved into a major riot or violent incident of a much larger proportion. Thank goodness more people didn't get involved.
I watched the video when the incident happened, and I was enraged by the scene and the bystanders lack of assisting the officer when he was beaten. Without having been there, none of the rest of us, have a justifiable knowlege of the actual happenings to make an educated judgement of those involved.
The only person's I feel qualified to condemn are the boys that beat the cop. Any others, such as cops responding, I don't have the facts to make and educated observation.
My heart is with ya Jrcummings, and if your aunt is telling the truth, then justice needs to be done for her, as well. The cops that beat the kids and threw her to the ground were most likely using excessive force, and were fired up by the adrenaline of seeing their brother in blue beaten. Understandable, but not justifiable. Professional conduct is hard sometimes, but those that carry a badge and a gun need to excercise control also.
After the other postings and discussions, I understand your experiences with the UPD, and why you would not have much respect for them. I however have to lean toward supporting them, if for no other reason, than the fact that they have a really hard and dangerous job, and they are our only defense against the bad guys, no matter their inadequacies.
All I can say in conclusion is that I sincerely hope that justice will be served, whatever the outcome is. I hope the truth prevails and the situation is resolved in the favor of those in the right. I also hope this doesn't evolve into an issue of race instead of a the true subject of teens beating a cop.
There are a lot of "ifs" and factors to be considered to make an "educated" comment on this particular subject. Unfortunately, if we weren't there, we don't actually know the true story.
Of course you believe your aunt. I would not respect you much if you didn't. I also believe that problem may have been precipitated by the store owner. I have seen over the years that people from some foreign nations are brought up with no concept of civil rights or tolerance for others. "Civil" and "rights" are both unheard of in some countries. Koreans and blacks have an especially documented record of problems in NY City. It seems that people from the middle east and the orient gravitate toward retail business. They also seem to gravitate toward the inner city neighborhoods and don't assimilate into the cultures and community activities where they settle. They seem to only be there for the money, and often take advantage of and disrespect their customers. They also tend to be prejudiced racially.
As far as your feelings toward the storeowner, when returning from Iraq, I was the same way when I returned from Viet Nam. I had a vietnamese guy get mouthy with me once in a store. I told him that he needed to shut the "f" up. That I might have killed his grandpa, messed with his mama, and would not think twice about sending him to visit his ancestors in the hereafter. ( I, by the way, never slept with a vietnamese woman while there, and was busy watching my back, not looking for a date, haha)
No excuse for the kid's behavior. Also no excuse if there was inproper conduct by the cops. They should be punished, if guilty. No man, especially a police officer, should be throwing a woman to the ground, if there is any other alternative at all available.
The saddest part of this whole situation, is that what started out with a routine police call, could well have evolved into a major riot or violent incident of a much larger proportion. Thank goodness more people didn't get involved.
I watched the video when the incident happened, and I was enraged by the scene and the bystanders lack of assisting the officer when he was beaten. Without having been there, none of the rest of us, have a justifiable knowlege of the actual happenings to make an educated judgement of those involved.
The only person's I feel qualified to condemn are the boys that beat the cop. Any others, such as cops responding, I don't have the facts to make and educated observation.
My heart is with ya Jrcummings, and if your aunt is telling the truth, then justice needs to be done for her, as well. The cops that beat the kids and threw her to the ground were most likely using excessive force, and were fired up by the adrenaline of seeing their brother in blue beaten. Understandable, but not justifiable. Professional conduct is hard sometimes, but those that carry a badge and a gun need to excercise control also.
After the other postings and discussions, I understand your experiences with the UPD, and why you would not have much respect for them. I however have to lean toward supporting them, if for no other reason, than the fact that they have a really hard and dangerous job, and they are our only defense against the bad guys, no matter their inadequacies.
All I can say in conclusion is that I sincerely hope that justice will be served, whatever the outcome is. I hope the truth prevails and the situation is resolved in the favor of those in the right. I also hope this doesn't evolve into an issue of race instead of a the true subject of teens beating a cop.
