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Post by Swimmy on Jan 22, 2008 11:28:59 GMT -5
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Post by losjibaros on Jan 22, 2008 11:31:39 GMT -5
Not that I know of, no NAACP.... this is a perfect example of why two in a car is a good idea in the city.. this was a young officer that had a situation get out of control on him..
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Post by clipper220 on Jan 22, 2008 20:22:26 GMT -5
If I remember correctly, the incident involving the NAACP pres happened in west Utica, and it was over jaywalking or something. This incident of assault happened when the police officer responded to a complaint from a store owner on James St and two youths knocked him down, beat and kicked him, and ran, while bystanders did nothing to help him. It was a disgusting situation, and I hope the judge and jury busts their little butts with some time in corrections to think about the error of their punk a-s-s ways. Actually the mother that tried to cover for her son ought to go with them, along with the ignorant bystanders that allowed it to happen.
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Post by Swimmy on Jan 22, 2008 21:37:35 GMT -5
Ah, that's the one. Thanks for clearing it up.
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Post by Ralph on Jan 23, 2008 1:21:18 GMT -5
Maybe they can take them out behind the station and tase the crap out of 'em!  |
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Post by clipper220 on Jan 23, 2008 12:53:14 GMT -5
Haha, you are bad ralph! What did you do, steal my canoe paddle from behind the door? Put that post up on the other forum and watch it roll, haha! Pages and pages of indignation.
Let the assaulted police officer do the tasing!
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Post by jduges on Jan 23, 2008 16:50:36 GMT -5
I think if they are convicted, they should just have to do 1 day in a cell with a room full of officers, no cameras, and sign a waiver that they understand they are entering at their own risk.
The cops will agree not to kill or rape them, or maime them in any fashion.
I don't think it would take more than 20 minutes before those idiot kids learned their lesson.
Then send them to schools for a year given presentations about not hitting cops.
One day and a years community service isn't that much, is it?
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Post by Swimmy on Jan 23, 2008 18:49:40 GMT -5
Just clear it with the U.S. Sup. Ct. to make sure it doesn't violate the 8th, and you have my support. :-)
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Post by jduges on Jan 23, 2008 21:30:46 GMT -5
Oh this will violate the 8th.....difference is the kids will have to waive that right. Much like a person testifing on their own behalf in front of a Grand Jury has to waive their 5th.
If they choose to take the beating, they're done after one day and a year community service. If not, throw the book at the little punks.
Reality is those younger than 17 will get sent to a DFY, or a place like Lincoln Hall. Stay for 11 months and come out with a worse attitude than they went in with.
We need to implement a 3 tier boot camp for juveniles in this state. Much like the ones being run in Arizona and Colorado. 1st tier or phase is actual boot camp. Once they pass that stage they move on to phase two which is intensive education and mentoring. Stage three involves them becoming mentors to younger "campers" and start in a work program where they learn a skill or work towards continued education. The recidivism rates of these programs have been astonishingly low. Where as things like scared straight, community service, etc... only have about a 3-6 month effectiveness window.
But for the little cop beaters I think an eye for an eye sounds appropriate.
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Post by Swimmy on Jan 23, 2008 22:41:04 GMT -5
Ah, kinda like how they waive their right to appeal when they plead guilty.
Petition the dysfunctional legislature to make kids convicted of assaulting police officers to be tried as adults automatically. Solution solved, and as part of their plea bargains, they waive their right to the 8th. I wonder if public policy would allow a defendant to waive his 8th amendment rights. Perhaps if we have the state prove by clear and convincing evidence that the bastard poses a threat to society or himself and the beatings are for his own good....
The boot camp scenario works. When I was in michigan for the beginning of my law school career, i remember reading about a special school for boot camp where delinquents went. I forget the name of it, but it enjoys great success with its students. Many go one to become respectable citizens of society and several stay to be instructors later.
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Post by jduges on Jan 24, 2008 0:05:23 GMT -5
It's unreal how well they work....I think the only thing keeping them from being common place is that some have been poorly run. There was one in Florida where they "accidentally" killed a kid. Not sure if it was an obese kid dying from excessive PT or what but I'm sure liability factors in there somewhere.
The ACLU would have a field day with people waiving their 8th. Maybe a better solution is making them ride the 4 to 12 shift everyday with LEO's for 1-3 years. Maybe then they'll appreciate what our boys in blue go through on a daily basis.
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Post by jrcummings on Jan 24, 2008 3:24:51 GMT -5
Wow this one is kind of touchy for me as you all know. I'll tell you why, two of those little bastards are my younger cousins. The mother that was supposedly protecting them is my Aunt. I talked to her about the situation and it just pissed me off even more. My aunt is a good woman, she's is very sick though. The situation pissed me off even more when she told me what happened, and she doesn't have a reason to lie to me. She was actually trying to get my cousins to stop, and she asked the cop what happened, they actually threw her down and started kicking her. They actually beat my cousins up so bad that they're heads were swollen. When my cousin had his pre-trial hearing the cops actually told my Aunt that if they caught him walking in the streets they would kill him. I'm not justifying what they did, but I personally feel as if the Police force should earn the respect of the neighborhoods they patrol and in turn the residence should give that respect in return. Arresting the boys was right, but the beating part is very wrong. Sometimes in life certain things go with your chosen profession i.e, Iraqi's throwing things at us, spitting at us, even still we are not allowed to use force.
As for the store owner, I myself had an anger filled rant with him and it wasn't pretty. To make matters worse it was when I returned from the Middle East, so i'm sure you all can imagine what that conversation went like. He said something very disrespectful to me and I lost it. I handled a bit different though, store owners are hurt more by lack of business and I told him I would never shop at his store again. I even think I called him a terrorist lol.
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Post by Swimmy on Jan 24, 2008 8:07:44 GMT -5
Ah, the perfect retort to anyone: call 'em a terrorist.
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Post by frankcor on Jan 24, 2008 21:17:35 GMT -5
If my experience is any indication, I'm certain our grunts over there have more colorful terms to call them than "terrorist."
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Post by thelma on Jan 26, 2008 12:39:53 GMT -5
Hi Everyone - After being in the Hospital for a week with Pneumonia, which kicked me in the pants, I'm just starting to get me strength back one day at a time. IF if wasn't for my oldest daughter's quick thinking to call the Ambulance to my house and rush me to the Hospital, my Obituary would have appeared in the OD by nowl
Getting back to the subject being discussed, what does it take to teach these types of hoodlums the meaning of RESPECT? I'm so sick and tired of hearing all their "excuses" for the reasons why they think they are jusified for not showing the proper respect for our Law Enforcement. Does it ever occurr to these hoods that our cops are willing to put themselves in harms way to protect ALL of us?
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