Special Council Meeting

[bobbbiez]

Jan 23, 2010 16:45:17 GMT -5 Clipper said:

What I am saying Swimmy is that in four years, the cops are going to be needed at any rate, and we will have to find a way to pay for them anyhow. Don't be so naive as to believe that the city of Utica will be able to ever cut the number of cops on the street at the rate crime is taking over the inner city neighborhoods.

Unless some miracle were to occur and CONSOLIDATION were to take place, the compliment of officers is going to only get larger. At least if taxes go up to pay for cops, it is better spent than for a tax increase to support some of the other mismanaged crap that the city gets into.

Clipper, I am leaning in your direction. I can't see Utica cutting in the UPD now or in the near future. I believe to get the crime rate down the cops have to be able to be in the neighborhoods more often and then, we will have to maintain that. In some neighborhoods two officers need to be in the cars patrolling.

If it does cost us more in our taxes then so be it. It'll be a cost that I will feel is justified when I'm able to walk on my street again without any fear.

[Ralph]

Stoney, I haven’t talked with Toni in years. A really great gal, got more money for the City via grants than I would have ever thought possible. Last office I saw her in down there looked like a broom closet.

Bobbbiez, When you ask, make sure you find specifics of the grant.
Do they pay just the base pay of the officers?
Does the grant cover the associated costs; i.e. health insurance, liability insurance, potential overtime, etc.?
And of course……will we be stuck with them after the grant runs out?

I don’t think we need so many more officers on the street as much as sensible policies and deployment of the ones we already have, especially the ones higher up on the food chain.
What we really need is citizens to start getting involved in what goes on instead of just hiding inside.
Find enough people to start putting together a real neighborhood watch system and things would start looking better. There are enough folks around with the same attitude as you and I, just need to put them together with each other.

As far as taxes go? Don’t wish too much for something you’ll regret later. Saying its justified is an open door for more. Everything is going up each and every year, over and over…….nothing has changed, but just throw more money at it and it will…..maybe.

Hasn’t yet has it?

[Swimmy]

EDIT: I owe the forum a huge apology for my post last night. There was no excuse for it.

[corner]

Jan 24, 2010 3:27:45 GMT -5 Swimmy said:

Apparently, I'm the only one NOT naive enough to realize the stupidity associated with this grant. Accepting this grant means INcREASING the complement by 4. That's 4 MORE than any pigs lost by attrition. No one is stupid enough to suggests cutting the upd "now or in the near future," except those stupid enough to cut of their noses to spite their faces... Perhaps, it takes someone not stupid enough to blindly believe that pigs are infallible and when they are, that it's up to the courts rather than PROPER TRAINING to decide how incompetent the pigs are.Ralph is right, so stop cutting your nose off to spite your face; you only embarrass yourself... ;D

ok swimmy you crossed the line ,is the use of the term pigs really necessary????Sorry buddy but I am taking personal offense at the use of the term realizing that cops are not infalliable and usually take the easy road as opposed to the one that travels to the truth but you have heard this in my class before.

[dgriffin]

A pig is one who feeds too much at the trough.
The perfect irony of a lawyer calling someone else a pig is simply extraordinary.

[stoney]

Boys! BOYS!!! You guys are some of my favorite posters, & I don't want to see you fighting. Now CUT IT OUT!!!

I don't carry a whip for nothing...

[Clipper]

I agree with Corner Swimmy. I see an enthusiastic young lawyer that tried his constitutional rights at the pump island of a gas station when asked for his license by a police officer. Sounds like you may have lost that battle.

Just where the hell do you think that LAW would be without LAW ENFORCEMENT?

I have a lot of respect for you swimmy, but I have to tell you that I have met a lot more crooked lawyers than I have crooked cops. While you may be an honest attorney, I would still caution you to wear a flea collar when attending a function with your cohorts. There are a lot of dogs in your profession, and they use their knowledge of the law only to twist it to their own benefit.

I wouldn't deny your right to call them anything you like, but I gotta tell ya that it IS very offensive and 60ish to call cops pigs. I thought that term died a long time ago. I am just surprised to see that coming from an attorney, who is supposed to work hand in hand with law enforcement to uphold the law.

[Swimmy]

I know I crossed the line corner. I am sincerely sorry. When I posted it, I was angry about one of my cases I was working on and it involved law enforcement. I realized it while I was sleeping and this is the first thing I have done since I woke up.

In any case, I know it is no excuse and I was wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy out of line. I am very sorry to everyone I offended with that post. I'm also embarrassed that I wrote it and I do know better than that.

[stoney]

Now everybody kiss.

[Clipper]

Stoney, we don't "fight". We simply discuss "heatedly" lol. We all have varied opinions and can express them freely. If one of us takes offense, it seems to usually works out, and ends with some sort of understanding.

I am going to go to that adult store on Oriskany Blvd in Yorkville when I come home again, and get me one of those whips, just for self defense. I have to defend myself against you and Bobbbiez.

[Swimmy]

And clipper, I actually won that battle. Ticket got tossed.

[Clipper]

I heard that Swimmy. I just kinda chuckled when you first posted that story. I can picture the look on the cops face. He probably said to himself, " I ask for a license, and I find out that I have stopped Perry Mason Jr." LOL.

I have a lawyer friend here in Bristol that is a recent grad from law school. He tried that same sort of thing, and fought it to the point of trial. HE LOST, and spent about $500 that he could have spent on paying his student loans. (those are HIS words, haha) I used him for real estate dealing when my dad sold their house. I don't think I would put my life in his hands if I were accused of a criminal offense. He better stick with real estate law, haha.

[Clipper]

See Stoney. It all works out.

Oh by the way. I am going shopping for a whip only. I refuse to do the leotard and fish net stockings. I only want to be defended, not become some sort of drag queen superhero. LOL

[bobbbiez]

Jan 24, 2010 11:55:14 GMT -5 @stoney said:

Now everybody kiss.

Not quite yet!

[bobbbiez]

Ok, now that I've counted to ten (actually way over 1000) allow me to comment on Swimmy's unnecessary and disturbing remarks. Sorry, but I find no excuse for them since it's an on going thing with him lately.

Swimmy, first no one here on the forum do I consider stupid or naive because they simply disagree with me. Since you quoted me I take grave offense to your comments aimed in my direction. I may not have a college degree young man but I'll match my street smarts to your book smart any day. One of which I've learned not to offend others in a simple discussion because the offensive part will only take away anything worth while one is trying to get across.
I also understand everyone will different in opinions at times, but that is a good thing. One can always learn from the other, but keeping an open mind is the key to any discussion if one really wants to learn.
Without a college degree I also learned never to generalize. An extremely unfair practice to others.

Second, I have no objection to you commenting on any incident where a police officer makes a poor judgment, but I will not tolerate you or anyone else generalizing, disrespecting or slandering police officers as a whole.
Let me tell you, I will put my two boy's records and reputations as police officers against yours any day. One who has served his community for 20 yrs with numerous awards and was honored as, Cop of the Year, by Oneida County a few years ago. The other serving his community for 21 yrs with numerous awards, one being honored five yrs ago by the FBI for his undercover work in smashing a hugh drug ring. I'm sure you have no knowledge of how dangerous his job was as an undercover drug investigator. You wouldn't have the balls to do his job but you feel you have the balls to call him a pig. You think for one minute I'm gonna allow you to call them pigs, or all the many other good officers on the streets protecting all of us every single day. WRONG!

Come off your high horse young man and remember this. Without police officers doing their jobs every single day, you and every other smart ass lawyer wouldn't have a job.

There is no excuse for what you said. I am totally disappointed and disgusted with you.