Kronos

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There was an interesting letter to the editor in yesterday's OD regarding Roefaro's refusal to use this time card system in city hall. Why not? The taxpayers shelled out {I forget the ammount}a few thousand bucks for this tool. It sounds to me that Roefaro is afraid of a little accountability when it comes to the comings & goings of his employees. What other reason can Roefaro give, other than "nobody is going to tell me how to run city hall", which was the mayor's idiotic response to Cerminaro's demand that the system be put into place. Me thinks that Cerminaro is aware of some shenanigans going on, but won't publicly state his concerns. If Roefaro won't use the Kronos system, than Cerminaro should sue to force the mayor into action.

[Swimmy]

What would Cerminaro sue him on? Is there a city ordinance mandating the Mayor to deploy the Kronos system? If not, I'm not sure what legal theory or standing Cerminaro would have.

[Clipper]

We already know that the mayor spends more time at the funeral home and social events than he does at work in city hall. Maybe he is afraid that someone might want him to work some regular hours also if THEY are required to clock in and out. Or maybe the multi tasking staff might have to show up on time and do something for a change other than dashing in and out taking care of personal tasks.

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Dec 28, 2009 7:24:54 GMT -5 Swimmy said:

What would Cerminaro sue him on? Is there a city ordinance mandating the Mayor to deploy the Kronos system? If not, I'm not sure what legal theory or standing Cerminaro would have.

How about pissing away taxpayers money on a system that the taxpayers have bought & paid for, but which the mayor refuses to use? What's the big deal in requiring employees to account for their time?

[Swimmy]

Kracker, I'm not disagreeing with you. I certainly believe that the system should be deployed. And if the employees are all showing up for work, then they have nothing to fear. I'm only questioning how you would go about compelling roefaro to deploy Kronos without some kind of legal mandate or other authority compelling the mayor to use the system.

[gearofzanzibar]

Dec 28, 2009 7:24:54 GMT -5 Swimmy said:

What would Cerminaro sue him on? Is there a city ordinance mandating the Mayor to deploy the Kronos system? If not, I'm not sure what legal theory or standing Cerminaro would have.

Mr. Roefaro's refusal to use the Kronos system appears to be a violation of the Common Council's oversight powers in the City Charter, Sec. 3.007 (3.007.B.17 specifically), and Sec. 5.001.

I'm not sure if the Council specifically mandated participation, but actually using the system seems to be a natural outgrowth of approving it's purchase and installation. Otherwise it's a nonsensical expenditure.

[gearofzanzibar]

Dec 28, 2009 10:00:39 GMT -5 Swimmy said:

I'm only questioning how you would go about compelling roefaro to deploy Kronos without some kind of legal mandate or other authority compelling the mayor to use the system.

From the City Charter:

Sec. 5.001. Office hours for city offices.
Unless otherwise provided by law, all city offices shall be kept open for the transaction of business each day in the year, Saturdays, Sundays and legal holidays excepted, from 8:30 a.m. until 4:30 p.m. The common council may direct any city office or department to be kept open at such other hours as public convenience may require. The common council reserves the right to control the hours of employment of all departments and employees unless otherwise provided by law or ordinance.


Bolding mine. Without accurate records and accountability that power is pointless.

[Swimmy]

Thanks for the info., Gear. It sounds like the common council should meet with its attorney and file a notice of claim with the mayor and follow up with an Article 78 petition.

[dgriffin]

If I were Roefero, I'd thumb my nose at mayoral use of the time keeping system, too. Executive preference. So, sue me.

[Swimmy]

Fair enough, but it would seem that for government transparency you would want to use it.

[dgriffin]

Nope, I'm the boss. I'm the guy at the top. And simultaneously at the bottom of the pipe for every pipsqueak and maladroit who want to pick on me. Let 'em have this one and they'll be jerking me around forever. If I were the mayor, I'd reply, "the public elected me and when they think I'm not doing the job they'll vote me out. So take your time clock and ..."

Hey, Gear! BOLD THIS !!


Hahahahaha!

[Swimmy]

lol

[gearofzanzibar]

Dec 28, 2009 20:41:27 GMT -5 @dgriffin said:

Nope, I'm the boss. I'm the guy at the top. And simultaneously at the bottom of the pipe for every pipsqueak and maladroit who want to pick on me.

Yeah, that sure sounds like the eternally confident and self-assured Mr. Roefaro. Sweet Jebus, he's so thin skinned I'm surprised he doesn't have a reservoir tip on his head.

Hey, Gear! BOLD THIS !!

I was just trying to be helpful. I know how you elderly folks have difficulty seeing things in small type. Heh.

[Swimmy]

I'm pretty sure Dave's "Bold this" remark was to go along with his tongue-in-cheek commentary in the first place.

[bobbbiez]

Dec 29, 2009 8:59:52 GMT -5 gearofzanzibar said:

Dec 28, 2009 20:41:27 GMT -5 @dgriffin said:

Nope, I'm the boss. I'm the guy at the top. And simultaneously at the bottom of the pipe for every pipsqueak and maladroit who want to pick on me.

Yeah, that sure sounds like the eternally confident and self-assured Mr. Roefaro. Sweet Jebus, he's so thin skinned I'm surprised he doesn't have a reservoir tip on his head.

Hey, Gear! BOLD THIS !!

I was just trying to be helpful. I know how you elderly folks have difficulty seeing things in small type. Heh.

Thems is fighting words my young friend.

Just remember this ya young pip-squeak.................what you have got to learn, we the "elderly" have already forgotten (even if we can't see a damn thing). ;D