You Lie!

[dgriffin]

The hullabaloo over South Carolina's Republican Congressman's "You Lie!" outburst is interesting. First of all, in an absolute sense, Wilson is probably right. But it is rather surreal to hear it announced among a den of thieves, so to speak, where lying might be considered their main business.

And I think it was indeed disrespectful to a sitting President. Not that the Democrats were exactly respectful of Bush the Younger, but at least they did not call his honesty and character into question in such a manner while he was giving an address to Congress.

I wonder what will come out of this.

You can't say our government and our representatives don't strive to keep us entertained!

Too bad they can't do something more useful.

[clarencebunsen]

I thought it rather interesting that I heard little comment about President Obama calling his opponents liars in the same speach.

At least our Congress is more civil than that of South Korea.

Perhaps Congressman Wilson was trying to emulate the back benchers in the House of Commons. He was more restrained than former SC Rep Preston Brooks.

[dgriffin]

I suppose you could call the first half of the following video, "(Korean) Girls Just Wanna Have Fun." And maybe in such an uptight society, that's the main benny of being an elected representative ... you get to pop someone you don't like with probable immunity.

[chris]

I just answered to a comment on my Wall. The poster posted that the comment was direspectful and racist. I don't see how race has anything to do with the comment of You Lie. Just the pot calling the kettle black...they all lie. Show me one you can trust and I'll eat my left sneaker. (the poster is black so now it is racist if we are white and disagree with a black president)

[dgriffin]

Sept 10, 2009 19:32:45 GMT -5 chris said:

The poster posted that the comment was direspectful and racist.

Fairly common ploy. Cheap indignation.

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Sept 10, 2009 16:53:43 GMT -5 clarencebunsen said:

I thought it rather interesting that I heard little comment about President Obama calling his opponents liars in the same speach.

At least our Congress is more civil than that of South Korea.

Perhaps Congressman Wilson was trying to emulate the back benchers in the House of Commons. He was more restrained than former SC Rep Preston Brooks.

Maybe because he was telling the truth. The whole debate has been filled with lies, propoganda, & fear mongering by right wing hacks like Sarah Palin, Sean Hannity, & the whole Fox crew. These dirtbags are more interested in protecting the profits of outfits like United HealthCare than they are in reforming the health care system in this country which is run on pure greed.

[concerned]

I myself was glad that someone had the balls to stand up for what he believes. More of this should be done. Maybe we would have a truer form of Democracy. The love listening to Parliment when the Prime Minister is speaking to them in England.

[gski]

Actually the congressman was correct. It was a lie. It's been published that the house has since changed their existing bills to close the loop hole that would allow for illegals to get health care without showing proof of citizenship. So that's the "technical answer", enforcement, which the bills all lacked.

Rep. Dean Heller of Nevada proposed an amendment to the bill that would have required the use of the Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements program to check the citizenship of anyone applying for federal coverage or affordability credits. SAVE is the program used by Medicaid and similar entitlement programs. That amendment was voted down along party lines by the House Ways and Means Committee.


¡The president said gno federal dollars will be used to fund abortions.h But the House bill would permit a gpublic optionh to cover all abortions, and would also permit federal subsidies to be used to purchase private insurance that covers all abortions, a point that raises objections from anti-abortion groups. Thatfs true despite a technical ban on use of taxpayer dollars to pay for abortion coverage

¡The president repeated his promise that his plan wonft add gone dimeh to the federal deficit. But legislation offered so far would add hundreds of billions of dollars to the deficit over the next decade, according to the Congressional Budget Office.

¡The president overstated the degree of concentration in the insurance industry. He said that in 34 states the "insurance market" is controlled by five or fewer companies, but thatfs true only of insurance bought by small groups, not the entire "insurance market."

¡Obama said his plan wonft grequire you or your employer to change the coverage or the doctor you have.h Itfs true that therefs no requirement, but experts say the legislation could induce employers to switch coverage for millions of workers

Those came from Factcheck.org. At least someone is reporting the information. As for propoganda and fear mongering? Ummm...how many times have we all heard crisis?

I for one do not trust what is coming out of DC. When the majority of people are saying no, and that's in the polls, and our "elected" reps are saying too bad, I have a problem with that.

I've actually read the bill, the 1000 page bill. Our reps have been passing legislation that they haven't even read. That's scary!

[dgriffin]

Was Joe Wilson Right?


"Congressman Joe Wilson (R-SC) has been disciplined by his colleagues in the House of Representatives because he called President Obama a "liar" during the president's address to a joint session of Congress last week. The statement that the president made, which apparently provoked the Congressman's outburst, stated that illegal aliens would not receive health care benefits under the president's government option proposal, which essentially proposes a Medicare-type program for everyone in America under the age of 65.

"Can anyone really suggest that the Harvard Law School-educated University of Chicago-employed professor of constitutional law did NOT know the law when he contended that the Congress can keep universal health care away from illegals? He must have known that, short of amending the Constitution to re-define "persons" and "Equal Protection," whatever the Congress makes available by way of social services to the general population, it must make available to all persons.

"There is no question that under the present law, Congress simply cannot pick and choose which "persons" to whom it will afford social benefits and to which "persons" it will not. How could the president not have known that?"

FULL STORY AT:

www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009/09/18/judge-andrew-napolitano-joe-wilson-right-obama/