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Post by Ralph on Aug 13, 2009 23:36:14 GMT -5
Ya know, Gear hit on a good point, and I think it holds true for many “gangs” today.
After traveling around with both the DOJ and NRC crew I have seen many areas that have gang based activities in them.
Most have the same basic construct and vary only in the ethnicity of the poor class that is primary to that local.
I have seen the Mexicans in Texas, Chinese and Latino in California, Blacks in Atlanta, and Whites as well. I even got to see the division between different socio-economic groups/classes in Puerto Rico.
It really has nothing so much to do with what race or ethnicity one is, other than the “birds of a feather flock together” psychology. Face it, I don’t care who or where you are, you are going to hang out with those more like you in every way than those less like you……be it color, class, religion, race, etc. Trust me, there are enough bad white folk around here to make up for any lack of what you see on the street.
You want a really bad gang to stay away from? One that rapes and pillages anyone that they can reach out to? One with no morals or concerns for any other than their own?
Stay away from those W.A.S.P.’s on Capital Hill!!!
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Post by Clipper on Aug 14, 2009 0:13:26 GMT -5
Thanks for clarifying your meaning Gear.
I misspoke when I said that I normally "sanction". That is the wrong word. I normally am known for speaking out AGAINST any negative references to race. I have ranted and raved against bigotry on many occasions, and have deleted accounts for repeatedly making racial statements and ignorant blanket observations.
This site has always been able to discuss issues such as race with civility and that is the way it should be. I want ANYONE AND EVERYONE to be able to enjoy our forum and to feel welcome, no matter what race or nationality they may be. God created man. I don't think anyone knows if Adam and Eve were black or white, or which evolved from the original. We may have evolved to the light skinned Caucasians from a dark pigmented Adam and Eve. We are all people and believe it or not, we ARE all created equal. Get used to it, LOL.
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Post by gearofzanzibar on Aug 14, 2009 1:41:27 GMT -5
this is a great thread. I have a question? What is "covert distillation?" Are you talking about alcohol? Aye, white lightning. |
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Post by gearofzanzibar on Aug 14, 2009 1:44:41 GMT -5
I don't think anyone knows if Adam and Eve were black or white, or which evolved from the original. We may have evolved to the light skinned Caucasians from a dark pigmented Adam and Eve. We are all people and believe it or not, we ARE all created equal. Get used to it, LOL. Eventually we'll all be kind of a coffee-with-lots-of-cream color. God knows I'm doing my part to stir up the gene pool. Heh. |
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Post by dgriffin on Aug 14, 2009 6:48:48 GMT -5
You want a really bad gang to stay away from? One that rapes and pillages anyone that they can reach out to? One with no morals or concerns for any other than their own?
Stay away from those W.A.S.P.’s on Capital Hill!!! Yup, some would consider the first successful American gang to be the Founding Fathers. They were secretive, had a special handshake, were rebellious re the status quo, and willing to take up arms to get what they wanted. Proper ladies and gentlemen (the status quo and those supported by it) considered the FF's to be nothing but rabble, an apt description for many of those men organized by the rebel chiefs. It may happen that the United States of Bloods will someday be upon us. History books may revere Gonzo Bad Fillipe of Detroit as the new Samuel Adams. And Takiesha Ross as the woman who constructed the USB's first flag, depicting a snake being swung flat and hard against a gravestone to show those MFers what's what wid f*cking wid da Man (or woman.) In the meanwhile, as a member of the dwindling status quo, I'll keep my guns loaded, just as any sane person would, to protect my property and well being. I guess that's the way it has always worked. Which make me wonder how many in the anti-gun lobby live in neighborhoods like Ralph's. |
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Post by Clipper on Aug 14, 2009 11:31:01 GMT -5
I have jokingly stated before that the answer to race problems is an even blending of the races in ALL families, although it would totally devastate the tanning booth business, haha. While I have said it in jest, it IS most likely the only way that the divisive lines of color will ever be crossed and unity will be realized.
It is not only a blending of the color that would further that goal of peace and unity. It would also bring about a blending of the cultural backgrounds and allow better understanding.
So, in the name of furthering peace and unity, I think that every white family needs black blood and culture integrated into their family and every black family should have a little white blood infused into the family tree.
It damn sure would do away with a lot of confusion. We could then simplify the race thing, and refer to only light brown, yellow and red when mentioning race or ethnicity. It is strictly my own opinion that there is no more beautiful child than a mixed race child with a blending of the best features of both races. Thank goodness the world has become more tolerant. I remember in my youth, a mixed race child was shunned by BOTH races, and was lost in a confusing search to find a place that they belonged. Hopefully that is no longer the case.
In conclusion I have to state that in my personal opinion it is the cultural differences that have been the hardest to overcome. Color is simply a difference in pigmentation, but the cultural beliefs and upbringing are where the races part company. Generations of distrust and bigotry are passed along by parents of all races. When we put 5 or 6 five year olds in a playroom, race and color is never an issue. They play like there WAS no difference.
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Post by stoney on Aug 14, 2009 11:32:56 GMT -5
Gear, I have always believed wholeheartedly in what you just said: Someday we'll all be one color. It'll be a LONG time from now, but it's bound to happen.
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Post by stoney on Aug 14, 2009 11:34:50 GMT -5
"What a wonderful world it'll be".
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Post by dgriffin on Aug 14, 2009 13:46:45 GMT -5
So, in the name of furthering peace and unity, I think that every white family needs black blood and culture integrated into their family and every black family should have a little white blood infused into the family tree. Well, you're in good company. Because Thomas Jefferson believed half of that.  |
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Post by dgriffin on Aug 14, 2009 13:57:20 GMT -5
Gear, I have always believed wholeheartedly in what you just said: Someday we'll all be one color. It'll be a LONG time from now, but it's bound to happen.
"What a wonderful world it'll be". Maybe not. There was a time when the bodies of a portion of humanity were covered with hair, and the other half were bald like us. I imagine a philosopher around during the epoch, who wasn't busy trying to outrun a wooly mammoth, might have thought we'd all be singing Kum Bay Ya when everyone was eventually hairless. But it turns out what grows on our skin is as unimportant to human relationships as the color of the skin it sits on. Cultures make us different and cause friction. It may indeed have been the "melting pot" of America that forced us to get along so well for 200 years. (Pretty much.) The emphasis on cultural differences might not be what it's cracked up to be. (Sorry for trashing several biological and anthropological principles to make my point.) |
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Post by clarencebunsen on Aug 14, 2009 15:23:42 GMT -5
Sanction is an interesting word.
Going to Mirriam-Webster I learned that it derives from the Latin "to make holy" and that 2 possible definitions are
the detriment, loss of reward, or coercive intervention annexed to a violation of a law as a means of enforcing the law
and
explicit or official approval, permission, or ratification
What would you like it to mean?
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Post by fiona on Aug 14, 2009 18:39:51 GMT -5
I understand and appreciate everyone's point. peace, love, unity, being a uni color, ect is great, but that didn't help me when I was groping on the ground for my smashed eyeglasses, while holding onto my purse with the other hand, while 5 teenagers circled around me screaming in Spanish, before they ran away. Call me bitter, call me what you will. What I am saying is platitudes are fine... peace, love and ban the bomb... until it happens to you.
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Post by fiona on Aug 14, 2009 18:43:20 GMT -5
Also, I would like to know how the hip hop culture has anything to do with poor whites living in Appalachia, or did I misinterpert the post?
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Post by gearofzanzibar on Aug 14, 2009 21:47:11 GMT -5
Also, I would like to know how the hip hop culture has anything to do with poor whites living in Appalachia, or did I misinterpert the post? Hubbard's "The Souls of Black Folk" is probably the best place to start, although it's flaming Afro-centrism will probably drive you up a wall. The short version: moonshine was one of the few high-value/low volume products the south was capable of producing during reconstruction. That lead to the creation of a criminal underground, one with more than a hint of Johnny Reb ideology, operating under the nose of the northern trade inspectors. Since even criminal enterprises were segregated a parallel black moonshining culture developed, and they carried their trade with them as they headed to the industrial north for jobs. Both groups became adept at operating stills in basements and behind factory walls, but when prohibition hit many of the urban, formerly southern white groups were absorbed by Irish and Italian organized crime, while the black groups continued on with their own parallel gang structure. Eventually the criminal skills and organization they developed in the moonshine trade were transferred to the more lucrative drug trade, but small scale stills are still a common feature of the black criminal underground. Why? Because food stamps can buy sugar. That's also why cheap, citrus flavored booze is a ghetto staple. The oily taste of cheap homebrewed shine is a lot more palatable when it's mixed with slightly acidic fruit juices. |
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Post by Clipper on Aug 14, 2009 22:04:22 GMT -5
I guess the point is this Fiona. The 5 youths circling you could have just as well been "white" kids, screaming at you in English. It has become normal for ALL ethnic groups to let their kids raise themselves. The little bastards get no discipline and have no respect for anyone. This isn't a color issue. It is an issue of kids not having any upbringing, and having too much free time and no supervision.
A few months ago (last winter) was involved in an incident where a young man in his late teens or early twenties disrespected me and then kicked my pickup truck at a gas station. I lost my temper, picked him up bodily and hoisted him onto the top of a newspaper machine in front of the store. I slammed his head into the concrete wall, and his nuts onto the coin box of the machine. I can only think that the kid got a lesson in manners and respect for others that was long in coming, and will not be soon forgotten. I was surprised that I was not arrested, but he got into his car and hauled his dumb ass out of there.
I sympathize with anyone that lives in the inner city and has to put up with those thugs and wannabes. If I were you Fiona, I would carry a large container of pepper spray and be willing to use it.
As for the mixing of races being the answer to cultural differences, it is not said with any serious idea that it would come about in our lifetimes, but I challenge anyone to tell me of a method that would work any better than that.
Thomas Jefferson was not the first or the only plantation owner and slave owner to plow an illicit furrow and plant more than tobacco. Slave owners often took advantage of or just plain raped their female slaves. At least in modern times, mixing of the races is done voluntarily and willingly.
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