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Post by Clipper on Jul 16, 2009 12:29:41 GMT -5
I am not really well versed in the statistics, but here in the SE, it IS harder to get welfare, and the requirements to continue to recieve benefits is also more stringent than it seems to be in NY State.
It is my understanding that unless you are a truly needy mother with children, or elderly, you have to jump through a few more hoops to get approved than you do in NY.
Low income housing is also stringently regulated and monitored. Any indication of drug activity warrants immediate eviction.
We may have a larger number of homeless people, but we also have fewer able bodied folks lounging on the porch, sucking beer and smoking dope, paid for by trading their children's food stamps for their substance of choice. We also have a larger selection of shelters and other services for the homeless which includes employment assistance and rehab opportunities.
It is no wonder that NY enjoys the reputation of being an easy "welfare state". Just check out the numbers of able bodied folks lounging on porches during normal working hours.
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Post by lilbump1980 on Jul 16, 2009 13:41:18 GMT -5
Thanks Dave, I see no problem with people who NEED it go get the help.. But some people are just lazy i feel.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2009 5:00:40 GMT -5
Where was this officer's partner? A couple years ago Roefaro raised our taxes to raise money in the "interest of public safety". Supposedly, cops in that area were supposed to have a partner working with them at all times. So Dave & Dan, why was this cop working alone in that drug & crime infested area? Our taxes were raised to hire more police following the Officer Lindsey murder, but now we find out that a Utica cop gets beaten by some punk, & the cop was working alone. So, what's the story Dave? You owe every taxpayer & police officer in this city an explanation of why this officer was working alone in the most crime infested area of this city.
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Post by dgriffin on Jul 24, 2009 8:50:10 GMT -5
Good point, Kracker. Another instance of 'your taxes at work.' A probable answer is the money went for pay raises, but I'm just guessing.
And not to belabor a point I've made ... well, hell, I always do that ... but don't forget that welfare is a containment scheme. So I'd expect it to be easier to get on where there is more of a problem of what to do with able-bodied young men for whom we as a society have nothing useful to do. You can think of it this way: every dollar of welfare that eventually gets to the client is 50 cents less he will steal. hahahahaha! That's rabid stereotyping, of course, but contains some truth.
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Post by Clipper on Jul 24, 2009 10:14:15 GMT -5
I think read somewhere in an interview with LaBella by one news outlet or another, that the injured cop was a sgt. He stated that regular patrols are conducted by two man teams in each car, but that the supervising sgt. rides alone.
It would be interesting to know if the cars ARE actually manned by two officers on a regular basis.
I have chuckle with Dave's remark about rabid stereotyping. Most likely not rabid. Just a slight case of distemper, LOL.
While I advocate welfare for single mothers and legitimately disabled folks that are UNABLE to work, I believe in workfare for anyone else that ends up on the welfare rolls. Hanna suggested making welfare recipients shovel the snow from the sidewalks around parking meters in the downtown area years ago. He met with a horrible uproar about the unfair and discriminating program. God forbid that they should have to perform some sort of labor in return for a check.
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Post by lovinglife on Jul 24, 2009 10:42:07 GMT -5
I think read somewhere in an interview with LaBella by one news outlet or another, that the injured cop was a sgt. He stated that regular patrols are conducted by two man teams in each car, but that the supervising sgt. rides alone. It would be interesting to know if the cars ARE actually manned by two officers on a regular basis. I have chuckle with Dave's remark about rabid stereotyping. Most likely not rabid. Just a slight case of distemper, LOL. While I advocate welfare for single mothers and legitimately disabled folks that are UNABLE to work, I believe in workfare for anyone else that ends up on the welfare rolls. Hanna suggested making welfare recipients shovel the snow from the sidewalks around parking meters in the downtown area years ago. He met with a horrible uproar about the unfair and discriminating program. God forbid that they should have to perform some sort of labor in return for a check. Hannah also had some kind of "workfare" going on at Hannah Park - during the "hot dog, soda and salt potatoes" real cheap. I know because an extended family member that had been through rehab had to put in his time. I remember it being a really good thing, and I think the people "working it" felt better about themselves. It makes absolutely no sense not to have some kind of workfare. Imagine how our taxes would be lowered - and how the city image could improve. Tearing down, building up, painting - so much could be done. |
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Post by Clipper on Jul 24, 2009 11:11:17 GMT -5
I think that your public service unions and the teamsters representing the DPW, are the major stumbling block to that sort of program. It would also eliminate a lot of the jobs that nepotism and patronage depend on in order to thrive.
You speak of the NJ corruption case. That sort of shake up "cleaned up" the political scene and the criminal element somewhat after the Fischer investigation and the resulting arrests. Unfortunately it only lasted less than one mayoral term, and it was back to business as usual for the "East Utica Machine". That is not a bigoted or ethnic slur. That is a known entity that has run politics in the city for eons. We simply have to wait for one of them to really step on their peepee and for the law to step back in and clean house again. I don't know if the area politicians are connected to a major crime family anymore or not, but they certainly could be considered an organized entity, with many citizens suspecting suspicious activity to be a factor in local politics.
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Post by tommi250 on Jul 25, 2009 9:08:23 GMT -5
I say piss test the welfare recipients too. I've had to take a piss test to get my State job where I ACTUALLY work for my pay. Why not make em pee into a cup to recieve my hard earned money. But alas, we've digressed again. Sgts ride alone. In a decent community one would expect or even demand that the average citizen help out a law enforcement person that was in need of assistance. I know I would.
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Post by Clipper on Jul 25, 2009 11:02:02 GMT -5
We have digressed from a time when citizens would jump in to help a cop, to a time when citizens turn their back when a cop is assaulted, to the absolutely nauseating time when ignorant, yet arrogant, neighbors cheer on an armed man who is assaulting a cop. It is sad that the police officer didn't have time to draw a taser and jingle this scumbag's nuts for him.
It IS however a blessing that this perp didn't draw the pistol and shoot the cop.
Society has really taken a dive when a police officer is either accused of racism, or of police brutality at every turn in the road, and neighbors can stand by and watch a white cop being beaten by a black suspect.
It is becoming more and more obvious that racism is not a solely a "white crime" as evidenced by this group of citizens in Corn Hill, and the ignorant racist prof from Harvard.
The one thing accomplished in Boston is that it brought our president out from behind his mask, and showed us his ignorance. It is obvious the the whole world that the Gates ran his mouth to loud and too long and was arrested, but Barrack Sharpton Obama had to jump on the media, and shout racism from the podium at the Whitehouse.
Just one more confirming fact that he is racist, and when added to his affiliation with the racist Reverend from Chicago, I have lost all respect for him as a man, and have to lump him with Jesse Jackson, and Al Sharpton in his desire to feed the racism fires.
A suspected socialist, racist president is a very dangerous threat to democracy and to life as we know it. I hope he is a "one term worm" who goes crawling back to Chicago in 2012. If his poll numbers continue to fall at the current rate, he will have a zero popularity rating by his third year. His "charisma" is wearing thin with the American people.
It seems like he is moving to create a welfare state, where the working middle class support a national program that feeds, clothes, and gives health care to the non-working, lazy and illegally immigrated, while the government bureaucrats sit back and draw from the pot created to support all the socialist programs.
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Post by jrcummings on Aug 1, 2009 13:33:30 GMT -5
People don't this story is so inaccurate it makes me freakin sick. If they are going to tell the story they should tell the entire story. All of the residents of that area were not cheering, in fact one of the residents was helping this police officer out, had it not been for her he may have died. SHE called the police, SHE did what she could until they got there. Do you want to know something interesting about the whole thing? After all she did, the cops treated her like shit!!!! Even Patrolman Micheal Washington, one of the few black cops (a black cop that she's known since he was 8 years old) This woman is my Aunt Lorraine (her son's beat up the cop on James St, the one you all tore down when that happened). She saved this mans life and they treated her like garbage. The OD pisses me off!!!!!!
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Post by jrcummings on Aug 1, 2009 13:37:06 GMT -5
Oh yeah, and this guy just didn't start beating the cop up. He had actually surrendered, and the Cop did and said something to him. I just thought you'd all like to know that before you all assume the Cop was just doing his job and was attacked. There is a side to the UPD none of you will ever see because you're skin is not dark enough. Unfortunately I've seen it and it's pretty bad. I've had Utica Police talk to me in way's i've never been spoken to before in my life.
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Post by clarencebunsen on Aug 3, 2009 21:58:23 GMT -5
jr,
A very interesting post. I suspect there are multiple sides to this incident but only one has gotten out, that of the UPD. I don't think the OD has a stake in protecting the UPD or the city administration but other viewpoints have to be presented in a very credible manner in order to overcome the built in authority that comes with the office of Chief of Police (no matter who holds the office.
Prepare your case carefully and send it to infocenter@uticaod.com with copies to Joe Kieta & Mile Killian (their emails are published daily in the OD). Include all contact info in the email.
Lay out the facts but stick to the facts that can be verified by people willing to go on the record. If a 911 call was made there should be a record of that. Let the OD use its resources to get the record.
No matter how much it stings don't put it as "The OD pisses me off" but "There are aspects of this that haven't been brought to light." Remember the guys you are trying to persuade are middle-aged white guys. When you have it written, have somebody uninvolved whom you trust review & proof it. Sometimes when I write about something important to me, my brain out runs my fingers and letters, words or whole phrases get left out.
If your Aunt is willing, request an interview with you present. Have a list of other people who are willing to speak on the record on what they saw that day. If the reporter is willing, review what he/she heard when you spoke (I learned the first time I was interviewed by the OD that what I said wasn't necessarily what was printed in quotation marks.)
jr, as a SFC you out rank the E-5 stripes I earned 38 years ago. Your rank demonstrates your dedication and commitment. I hope you don't take offense at anything I have written. I would like to see your Aunt's story get out and will offer any help I can to make that happen.
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Post by Clipper on Aug 15, 2009 16:13:31 GMT -5
Boy JR. I remember well the posting when your cousins were arrested for beating the cop on James St. You and I went around, along with many others. The good thing that came out of that was that it educated a lot of us on both sides of the issue and we ended up friends. Many of us were indignant as hell, and I climbed your ass big time when you hinted at racial profiling. Well, we have all learned alot about both the UPD and the OD since then. The UPD does do what it can to control crime, but they damn sure are ripe with bigotry and I am sure that they profile when they are at the scene of any arrest or incident.
Officer Washington should be damned ashamed of himself. Black officers on the force should be mediating such incidents, not contributing to them. Diversity is supposed to bring fairness, but it seems that it has not happened in Utica as of yet. For one thing, Utica needs many more black and other minority officers on the force.
I can only say that if myself or others on the forum had been stopped in a traffic stop strictly because of our skin color, as you were, we might have a very different view and attitude toward the UPD. God bless your aunt for coming to the aid of Officer Kelly. It is sad that she was treated in such a manner.
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