Hillary Blames US For Mexican Violence

[dgriffin]

U.S. to blame for much of Mexico violence - Clinton


Wed Mar 25, 2009


* Clinton says unfair to blame Mexico for drug war

* Trucking and trade disputes also on Clinton's agenda

* U.S. Congress worried by police corruption in Mexico

By Arshad Mohammed


MEXICO CITY, March 25 (Reuters) - An "insatiable" appetite in the United States for illegal drugs is to blame for much of the violence ripping through Mexico, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said on Wednesday.

Clinton acknowledged the U.S. role in Mexico's vicious drug war as she arrived in Mexico for a two-day visit where she discussed U.S. plans to ramp up security on the border with President Felipe Calderon.

A surge in drug gang killings to 6,300 last year and fears the violence could seep over the border has put Mexico's drug war high on President Barack Obama's agenda, after years of Mexico feeling that Washington was neglecting a joint problem.

"Our insatiable demand for illegal drugs fuels the drug trade. Our inability to prevent weapons from being illegally smuggled across the border to arm these criminals causes the death of police officers, soldiers and civilians," Clinton told reporters during her flight to Mexico City.


www.reuters.com/article/vcCandidateFeed1/idUSN25429486


Well ..... there's a ring of blaming the victim here, too. Former UN Ambassador John Bolton told an interviewer the other day that the Obama-Pelosi administration (my label) sees the US as just one more citizen of the world, and maybe not in the forefront, whereas in former years Americans felt themselves special and entrusted with the responsibility of leadership. I always liked that guy, especially when he was pissing off Old Europe.

[Swimmy]

and the treason begins...

[Clipper]

I am glad you made that point Dave. We have never been just another citizen of the world. We have ALWAYS led the world and need to continue to do so. Obama scares me with his submissive attitudes on the world stage. The Obama/Pelosi thing cracks me up. It could have been worse if Hillary had been picked for VP. It could have been the Obama/Clinton?Pelosi show, and that would have certainly spelled undisputed disaster.

[bobbbiez]

Hate to have to do this but I do agree with Hillary on this one.
If the hugh demand for drugs was not here in the States then we wouldn't have a problem at all.

I've been saying this for too many years now. Wouldn't have drug lords or dealers if no one was buying their products. I truly believe drugs will be our down fall. As it is, most crimes are drug related. Doesn't take an Einstein to figure that out.

[dgriffin]

That's true as far as it goes, Bobbbiez, but if we didn't have a drug store just down the street in Mexico, the prices might get pushed up far enough to discourage NEW users. We have so much drugs coming into the US that they're practically giving them away in areas where it's a buyer's market. Here in the Hudson Valley, dealers come up from New York, because they can get a higher price here than in the city where there's a dealer on every corner selling "Mexican Produce." Every drug enforcement theory I've ever heard of utilized the two prongs of depressing usage while at the same time eliminating the source.

Still, Hillary IS right when she said (and I bolded it above), "Our insatiable demand for illegal drugs fuels the drug trade. Our inability to prevent weapons from being illegally smuggled across the border to arm these criminals causes the death of police officers, soldiers and civilians...

I don't know why we're having so much trouble thwarting gun smuggling into Mexico. You need trucks on roads to get them across in any quantity. I thought we at least had the roads covered. But maybe not.

[frankcor]

Hillary is correct about the demand side -- there would be no drug trade if there was no demand. And there is no way to end the drug trade without addressing the demand. It's about time we admit defeat in the War on Drugs. Our war effort has been a dismal failure.

She is completely wrong about blaming the violence on US guns. I don't have the source at hand but the FBI's own numbers show that most of the guns in Mexico are coming from non-US sources.

[Swimmy]

I disagree. Who created this insatiable demand? Who fueled it for the past 40 years? Why are we being blamed for a problem not caused by us?

Perhaps if we legalized the illicit drugs and regulated them, we could put the growers and dealers out of business. Perhaps, we could then have people be totally honest with themselves about drug use without fearing criminal prosecution so that they can get the help they need in rehab and actually benefit from it. Perhaps, then the supply would dry up and the demand would dry up too.

Of course, the downfall would be a spike in violence as drug dealers go under and as drug manufacturers have to seek alternate venues.

Where is the proof that US-manufactured weapons are being smuggled over in droves? Where was this concern before hilary because secretary of state? The AFTE has empirical data that shows, if anything, illegal weapons in our OWN country have lead to the increased violent crimes.

[corner]

Mar 26, 2009 22:57:01 GMT -5 @dgriffin said:

That's true as far as it goes, Bobbbiez, but if we didn't have a drug store just down the street in Mexico, the prices might get pushed up far enough to discourage NEW users. We have so much drugs coming into the US that they're practically giving them away in areas where it's a buyer's market. Here in the Hudson Valley, dealers come up from New York, because they can get a higher price here than in the city where there's a dealer on every corner selling "Mexican Produce." Every drug enforcement theory I've ever heard of utilized the two prongs of depressing usage while at the same time eliminating the source..

Still, Hillary IS right when she said (and I bolded it above), "Our insatiable demand for illegal drugs fuels the drug trade. Our inability to prevent weapons from being illegally smuggled across the border to arm these criminals causes the death of police officers, soldiers and civilians...

I don't know why we're having so much trouble thwarting gun smuggling into Mexico. You need trucks on roads to get them across in any quantity. I thought we at least had the roads covered. But maybe not.

the weapon problem are not civlian firearms as the current administration would haveyou believe but are full blown military weapons fully automatic fire armes rpgs plastic explosives grenades etc u cant get those at your neighborhood gunshop so the real situation is somebody is robbing our national guard armories and other military bases for these weapons.....which is a whole other problem....Mexicos main problem is and always has been a corrupt federal police from the chiefs on down...the ones thaqt arent corupt are eventually killed..and now when the latest headlines in the ny post have the vice presidents daughter on tape snorting lines yes we hasve a major drug problem in this country that hits eveyone rich and poor alike.. ny has a governor who admittedly used cocaine in the "past" given his diretives and policies i'm not sure it is past

[corner]

Hillary;s comments are tantamount to a rape victim apologizing to her attacker for enticing him.

[dgriffin]

Mar 30, 2009 8:04:14 GMT -5 corner said:

Hillary;s comments are tantamount to a rape victim apologizing to her attacker for enticing him.

No doubt, but her comments are part of a broad program of the Obama Administration to revamp the image of the

United States of America

into one of a friendly giant. Sorta like Barney, I guess, but colored army drab instead of purple.

It has never been clear to me why that is necessary, since most Americans couldn't give a flying fart about what the rest of the world thinks of us. I think Bush had it right, and the world was just getting used to it when we suddenly got all warm and fuzzy.