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Post by lucy on Feb 17, 2009 16:03:47 GMT -5
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Post by bobbbiez on Feb 17, 2009 16:48:50 GMT -5
 Lucy, you would not want to meet these "kids" on the street. All are big, bad, tough guys and prey viciously on the good people in their neighborhoods.  Having to see these hoodlums on a daily basis in my neighborhood I don't have any sympathy for them what so ever. As far as I'm concerned, throw them in a prison cell and then throw away the keys. Most are way beyond help as the do-gooders like to preach.
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Post by Ralph on Feb 18, 2009 2:05:03 GMT -5
I have to agree with Bobbbiez, and I have seen more than my share in the work I was doing in the neighborhoods.
We have two kids that come into the store down on Schuyler Street on an almost daily basis, they must be around ten or so...certainly no older than that.
They always come in and buy a dozen donuts and a couple of lattes and they never fail to have a wad of cash with them, mostly 5's - 10's & 20's but I have seen them come in with a 100 once or twice.
One of our co-workers found out they are "muling" for an older brother carrying weed or crack around for them. May as well start them out young.
Wonderful world we live in isn't it?
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Post by frankcor on Feb 18, 2009 10:51:53 GMT -5
Older brother ain't stupid. What happens when an 10-year old kid gets picked up with a few bags of weed or crack?
Pretty much nothing, I will imagine.
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Post by concerned on Feb 18, 2009 10:53:42 GMT -5
I guess the kid who was killed liked his weed?
I also think that once again the concept that it takes a village to raise a child did't work again!!!
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Post by frankcor on Feb 18, 2009 11:09:09 GMT -5
It takes a village to expect parents to raise a child.
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Post by corner on Feb 18, 2009 12:21:15 GMT -5
i hate to say it folks but it is a cultural thing i have spent alife time locking kids like these their fathers and grandfathers up or supervising them on parole ...i can tell you stories all true that would curl your hair..
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Post by lucy on Feb 18, 2009 12:34:06 GMT -5
Corner I would believe any story that you would tell because I have family that are CEO's and have heard many stories. It's just that it is scary hearing about 10 year olds selling drugs for their older family members, thinking that is the way life should be. If only something could be done. How many programs can there be to get kids off the streets? Why isn't there more being done to get rid of the drugs in the street?
One day I was leaving my job in Utica and there was this little girl riding her bike through the parking lot and she was crossing the street she couldn't have been no more than 5 years old. I rolled down my window and told her to be carefull (now I know that I'm stranger and stranger danger) but she gave me sooo much attitude. Where is the respect? What happened to the way I was raised to show adults respect? I honestly felt bad for that little girl, her parents obvisouly didn't care they weren't even around she was all by herself riding her bike. Now if she were to get hit by a car the parents would've blamed the person driving when they should be blaming themselves.
Its just what could be done to ensure that these kids aren't running the streets?
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Post by corner on Feb 18, 2009 15:40:42 GMT -5
when mom and lets play "who the daddy" are crack heads or my babies daddy is in prison these kids are raised by grandparents who didnt do such a hot job with their own kids... when junior is elling driugs and giving grammy a 60 inch tv and money for bingo down the block the criminal behavior is usually blind eyed or encouraged by the family elders...and when whitey is blamed for all of this the only respect that is shown is disrespect.
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Post by frankcor on Feb 18, 2009 16:34:14 GMT -5
Well, the OD made a mistake and left the comment section on this news story open long enough for me to make the following post: "Policelli said he has his own questions about the facts of the incident, which Policelli believes was a pre-arranged drug transaction that somehow turned violent. "
In what law school do they teach that the best defense is to slime the victim? They nuked it within minutes. I guess Policelli buys more advertising than I do. |
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Post by bobbbiez on Feb 18, 2009 18:43:10 GMT -5
Frankie, don't know the facts concerning this case but in most here the "victim" is usually another drug dealer or someone trying to make a deal for the drugs.  Just can't feel any sympathy for either. They want to play the drug game then they have to pay the consequences and if that means paying with their lives then oh well. They are all aware of the danger.
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Post by wcup102 on Feb 18, 2009 19:56:08 GMT -5
I can tell you all this. They all, including the victim, were in detention before they moved up. They all move up. You can see it in the courthouse, they start on the first floor in family court, and before you know they are getting off the inmate elevator on the fifth floor. My how kids grow up these days, it was just like yesterday when lil johnny was caught with his first blade and doobie. Where does the time go?
Hogwash!!!!!
It's their destiny, and I don't want to hear they are a product of their environment unless they all are dumb, ignorant and blind. The juvenile detention facilities do have good programs, some of which they have to participate in. They know how the game is played, bide their time in the group home while being the big shot and wait for the judge to let them go home once they or a family member convince the judge that they have changed or can be looked after in a responsible way. The parents of the victim are also very well known to the system. I call it inner ethnic cleansing, only the strong survive. May be harsh, but alot of truth in it.
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Post by concerned on Feb 18, 2009 20:20:32 GMT -5
I'd love to tell you about the little kindergarden kids with foul mouths that would make a truck driver blush. I was on the bus today going to Walmart and there was a mom and two little cute kids with her doing the same. The kids got swearing about the mom's ng boy friend eatin all the food. It got so bad that the bus driver told them to stop the vulger language. The mom said " they can't help it they do dumb fk stuff. Then the two kids started to tell the bus driver to get fk and said momma goina sk u . The kids were in first grade. She said to me I wish I could get rid of them these kids are ng's. They don't wanna go to school or nothin. All they do is yell at me all day. I asked her about using some school counseling and I won't repeat what she said. Oh and by the way the two kids were stopped at Walmart for stealing a toy. Even the moma got cought. I know this because I love following certain people around a store, etc I am still documenting some things for a book I want to write, someday.
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Post by lucy on Feb 19, 2009 13:26:31 GMT -5
Ok so they have these things now like the group home, but it is still obvious that something needs to change. Maybe these kids need to be taken away from their family and sent to a military school of some sort, and they don't get to leave until they graduate. That way they won't have the influence of their family and local friends.
It really disturbs me to hear about kids and yes they are kids shooting eachother, selling drugs on the street, and whatever else they are doing.
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Post by Clipper on Feb 19, 2009 14:11:05 GMT -5
For those that subscribe to religion, it is being preached from the pulpits that society today is on a downward slide toward the biblical "lake of fire". Morality is certainly not what it was when I was growing up, and permissiveness is getting just plain disgusting. What is acceptable today, most likely has our ancestors rolling in their graves, and God wiping a tear from his eye.
For those of us that don't subscribe to denominational beliefs, but DO believe in God, it is obvious that it is not and "ethnic" problem, although some ethnic groups are more predominate in the news. White, black or yellow, OUR children are exposed to a daily atmosphere and environment much different from the one that we grew up in.
Many kids charged with a crime deserve to be treated as youthful offenders, but ANYONE that kills another human being needs to pay the price, underage or not. ANYONE that kills in cold blood, is beyond being considered for merciful sentencing. NOBODY is beyond realizing the consequences of aiming a gun at someone and pulling the trigger.
Those that profess that "god is their copilot" need to change seats, no matter WHO their God may be. Seems like most of us have our GPS navigation systems programmed for a destination that is not going to be a pleasant place to spend eternity.
The path that we are taking as individuals, and the lack of guidance that is being given to our children, is going to be the downfall of life as we know it. Parents are spoiled and many are too self centered to devote themselves to parenthood, as OUR parents did. I am guilty of that myself, and am thankful that my children survived my mistakes and grew up to be respectable citizens. I certainly was NOT a role model to my boys, with my alcohol problems and divorces. God MUST have intervened and given the boy's mothers the strength and guidance to raise them correctly.
It is a sad world when a child can possess an illegal handgun, and for it not to be discovered by a parent. Hell, I was never able to even hide a pack of cigarettes from MY parents. It is even more sad that teenagers would not place a higher value on human life, and are in some cases, not afraid to spend their young lives incarcerated for their stupidity and lack of respect for the law and their fellow man.
Bobbbiez is right on target with her comments about her own neighborhood and the thugs that walk the streets there, but it ALL over the city, and many ethnicities are involved. These kids DO know what they risk, and unfortunately think it cool to be thug, or a drug dealer. She is also right in her thinking that they most likely are beyond help. It goes back to parents and even farther back in the geneology of those involved. One might call it "survival", but I have to label it "a lack of guidance and morals" that goes back to the shoulders of the parents. "Big brothers" who use their younger siblings for "mules" should receive life, and the little brothers should be dealt with severely enough to make the point, but to allow for a second chance in life. If that second chance is thrown away, then treat the repeat offender with NO mercy.
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Lucy, you would not want to meet these "kids" on the street. All are big, bad, tough guys and prey viciously on the good people in their neighborhoods. 
