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Post by Clipper on Jan 30, 2009 13:15:55 GMT -5
I can't believe it. A NEW addition, and it is so poorly insulated and designed that the temperature drops to 47 degrees in an office space? God damn, whose brother in-law built this one?? LOL.
The remedies being offered include installing ELECTRIC baseboard heat. Uhhh, in the 30's above the ceilng tiles?? I think there is more needed than a couple of baseboard heaters.
Sound to me like a cheaper alternative is available. During the winter months, store the perishable food from the cafeteria in the office space, and move the secretaries to the walk in cooler near the cafeteria, WHERE IT IS WARMER.
How the hell can the UCSD be so stupid as to accept such a poorly engineered and constructed project? Tell me that someone is not related or indebted to the contractor, or received a little incentive for accepting the bid. Hell, even Fehlhaber would not have accepted that mess. Do we possible see a new trend that will bite the asses of taxpayers for the next few years, caused by the former adminstrator and her regime? Only time will tell.
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Post by strikeslip on Jan 30, 2009 18:41:00 GMT -5
And just think -- they want to spend $47 mill MORE on this one school!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2009 19:50:43 GMT -5
Gee, all they have to do is check for ductwork in that office. Duh! Can't be there is any or they wouldn't be talking about installing electric baseboard heaters. What a friggin' joke.
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Post by Clipper on Jan 31, 2009 13:06:46 GMT -5
Not only is there most likely no duct work in the office, if there were, it would be lacking in effectiveness, running through a space that drops into the 30's above the drop ceiling. I think the secret words here are "R-factor" and "more insulation overhead". Someone cut corners, saved a few bucks and now secretaries sit with hot legs and feet and cold hands, kept only marginally warm with inefficient space heaters. Either an engineering firm, or a contractor needs to pay to remedy this situation, not the taxpayers.
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Post by clarencebunsen on Jan 31, 2009 18:31:23 GMT -5
Clipper, I agree. The situation sounds so drastic that a problem should be easy to spot. I didn't see anything about a real HVAC person looking at the problem.
If the school district doesn't have one, I know they have a good electrician with some common sense. Probably against union rules to have him look at the problem, however. Instead they will have him work overtime to install electric baseboard heaters and run higher amperage circuits to the affected areas.
One would think that the Utica School District would be overwhelmed with hot air experts.
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Post by frankcor on Feb 1, 2009 16:02:10 GMT -5
There's a rule of thumb among contractors that if the estimated cost of renovation is 50% of alternative new construction, you're smart to opt for new construction. How much would a brand new Proctor cost (compared to the $47-million renovation).
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Post by clarencebunsen on Feb 1, 2009 16:07:59 GMT -5
Is that in real dollars or Utica School district dollars?
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Post by frankcor on Feb 1, 2009 16:13:47 GMT -5
My point, precisely.
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Post by jon hynes on Feb 1, 2009 17:00:25 GMT -5
There's a rule of thumb among contractors that if the estimated cost of renovation is 50% of alternative new construction, you're smart to opt for new construction. How much would a brand new Proctor cost (compared to the $47-million renovation). An old friend told me when Proctor was built it was during the depression. It was one big mud hole swamp. He told of the workers digging while 100s of others waited on the banks of the ditches waiting for a worker to drop from exhaustion so they could take their place and make some money. I don't expect it cost much to build the original building compared to todays standards. |
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Post by frankcor on Feb 1, 2009 23:01:55 GMT -5
Today, a skilled operator and good machine can do the work of hundreds of men. I am ambivalent to what value that should possess.
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Post by concerned on Feb 3, 2009 10:08:21 GMT -5
if you only knew some of the problems that existed after each remodeling job done by the UCSD, lol
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Post by clarencebunsen on Feb 3, 2009 23:54:31 GMT -5
It turns out my electrician friend is working full time un-screwing up electrical problems created by the last renovation. Things that formerly worked that now have to be put back into working order.
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