Court to consider Obama’s citizenship

[dgriffin]

gski, I didn't know about McCain providing documentation, etc. Is that standard practice for presidential candidates? I hadn't thought about it, never assuming I'd be in that position.

[gski]

Dave, it's not standard for presidential candidates. The issue was brought up because he was born while his parents were going through the panama canal. The issue was raised with him and he provided the documentation.

In all frankness, with the melting pot we are as a country and the people who come to the US and live here all their lives, maybe it's time that we change the policy. Food for thought.

[gski]

Lucy does make a good point and it's one of the problems, from my standpoint with our government. 97%, I believe that's the number, of the incumbants are re-elected. Out congress had a lower approval rating that Bush did, however they were all virtually re-elected.

The Senator from Alaska was convicted of a crime and he almost was re-elected. What's the answer? Term limits? What do you do when you get someone who's actually doing a good job?

I think it's going to be very interesting to see what Obama does.
I just wish his cabinet had a lot let former Clinton folks in it. I understand wanting experience, but I'd rather see new folks that have the business and economic experience rather than political retreads.

[concerned]

Congressman and Senators should only be allowed to serve two terms just like the president.

[rrogers40]

Dec 7, 2008 8:23:24 GMT -5 gski said:

Dave, it's not standard for presidential candidates. The issue was brought up because he was born while his parents were going through the panama canal. The issue was raised with him and he provided the documentation.

In all frankness, with the melting pot we are as a country and the people who come to the US and live here all their lives, maybe it's time that we change the policy. Food for thought.

The issue is that we don't need billionaires from Saudi Arabia, China, or Russia coming over here and running just because they have the money.

And even if you say you must live here for X amount of years there is still that issue as many people hold American Citizenship's and have an American Address yet spend all there time in another country- so who's to say a rich person does say look I've been a citizen but ignore the fact that I have not actually stepped inhere for more than three days.

Its sort of like why Hillary Clinton came to New York- or that Kennedy who wants to come. They only want the job as a status thing and because they have the money they are going to get it.

[dgriffin]

Dec 7, 2008 8:30:04 GMT -5 gski said:

Lucy does make a good point and it's one of the problems, from my standpoint with our government. 97%, I believe that's the number, of the incumbants are re-elected. Out congress had a lower approval rating that Bush did, however they were all virtually re-elected.

The Senator from Alaska was convicted of a crime and he almost was re-elected. What's the answer? Term limits? What do you do when you get someone who's actually doing a good job?

I think it's going to be very interesting to see what Obama does.
I just wish his cabinet had a lot let former Clinton folks in it. I understand wanting experience, but I'd rather see new folks that have the business and economic experience rather than political retreads.

Yes, as a people, we Americans think badly of our Congress. But we continue to elect our own congressman, senator, state legislator, because we like HIM or her. So the result is that nothing changes. Somebody on this forum made the comment that when he enters a voting booth, he looks for a familiar name. Finding one, he votes for their opponent.

I used to be a fan of term limits. Now, I'm not so sure. The "Agencies" really run America, your state, etc. These are well oiled machines who usually do a pretty good job, although we always complain about them. Each year we send our elected Admirals and Captains to Washington or Albany to check up on the agencies and steer them a little off course, attempting to point them to true "north." Experienced hands might do a better job of this than ensigns. Term limits may result in a lot of ensigns.

[Swimmy]

I am shocked the US Sup Ct decided to take this case. I'm surprised it even got this far and received the attention it has. If there was any doubt about President-elect Obama's citizenship:

• hrc would have made sure to bring it to light during the primaries
  
• Arnold Schwarzenegger would have immediately filed his petition for candidacy
  
• Senator McCain would have made sure to bring it out during the general campaign and had him disqualified. McCain stood a better chance against hrc.
  
• He would not have been allowed to run until his citizenship was verified.
  

It just does not make any sense to believe or think that he made it this far and was not a U.S. Citizen. If anything, I do not think we have to worry about foreign nationals winning the presidency and undermining our nation from within. While it was a real threat during our nation's infancy, I don't see the dangers now, especially where the foreigner is dedicated and loving America.

[Disgusted-Daily]

Well, I'm chiming in a little late on this one. Allot of good points have been addressed.

I did not vote for obama but I do not wish any ill fate to him or his family and as a US Citizen I do hope he succeeds. Obama has a level head and is a great speaker and truly is a likable guy. As far as a breath of fresh air, well I hope so but right now I am still holding my breath, lol.

As far as his citizenship, I agree that this is going to be a stretch and can't believe it is still going on. I too am very surprised that the US Supreme Court has taken this case. Let's be honest McCain had a poor campaign from the start and simply was not a good speaker.

I also wish Obama didn't invite Hillary to his cabinet. She has done nothing for NY and has way to much baggage. It is ironic that Hillary spent how much time and money on the campaign trail to bad mouth Obama and yet he still picked her to be in his cabinet.

[bobbbiez]

Hey Todd, I'm giving Obama more credit then you. I think he made a very smart move, because as I stated before, he managed to please his party and yet get what's-her-name away from him, and out of N.Y.S. for us and get her by her new position out of the country for all others involved. ;D

His Grandma raised no fool!

[Clipper]

I have grown to like Obama more and more, but I AM NOT impressed with his loading of his cabinet and high official jobs with all the old cronies form the "Crook county" Illinois political machine.

I think there is a difference between Obama "knowing" about the governor's activities, and "playing a part or condoning" his activity. I am sure that Obama would become aware of such activity very early on.

As for Jesse Jr? I have to think that his status as an informant for the FBI is strictly to further his own agenda, and surely NOT to help the FBI. He may be more like his mother than he is like his father, but I have listened to him on a couple of occasions and his agenda and motives are not that much different than Daddy's. I find it hard to believe that the offspring of a weasel can be anything but a weasel.

While he may be performing a service to mankind with his informing, I don't have a lot of respect for a snitch, whether it be for the FBI or for his mama. The desired outcome may be honorable, but the "snitch" smudge on one's integrity is underhanded and dishonorable. I am a firm believer that if anyone tells a person something in "confidence" it should remain in "confidence".

[bobbbiez]

Ya know Clipper, have to keep things real and say things as they are. Obama may be fairly new on the political scene but he is much smarter then most who have been in the political lime light for years now. He is appeasing his party by appointing some "old cronies", realizing you don't sh*t on those who feed you and especially if he wants to be reelected. Lets face it, no one, gets nominated for any seat without their parties backing. That's the fact and that's just the way it is.
Obama has to play the game but he seems to be playing it much better then all the "old cronies." ;D

He also realizes he'll need all the qualified help he can get. I'm impressed that he is not cleaning out Bush's reign completely. He is appointing some under Bush who he knows have done their jobs and done it well. He is definitely surrounding himself with people in the know and who have true knowledge of todays problems and who can help him address and solve those problems. In my book that is a very smart man.

Even I who did vote for him knows that somewhere down the road Obama will come up with some things I don't agree with, but I also know, Obama in his decision making as President of the "whole" United States can not please everyone all the time, including me.

Don't think for one second if McCain was elected that he would have done a better job or not made mistakes. All Presidents have and McCain wouldn't have been any different.

I guess we have to keep reminding ourselves before we do any criticizing that the President alone does not make the laws of the land, but yet, he, does get blamed for all the bad decisions.

I am damn proud I voted for him and I definitely feel the better man won. If down the road he makes mistakes my opinion will not waver. I believe he will try to always do the right things for all. I will always try to remember he is also human and will not always be right.

I don't envy him because it'll always be, "damned if he does and damned if he don't."


Geez, I'm getting to be just like you (scary) and writing books. ;D

[Disgusted-Daily]

Only time will tell.

For the sake of our Country I hope he does well, and I am glad Hillary is out of New York, but not glad where she ended up. Amazing how quick people forget and/or forgive.

[dgriffin]

www.obamapaperdoll.com/

[Clipper]

Like I said Bobbbiez, I have grown to like Obama. It is the "slimeballs" like Jackson Jr. that he is bringing on board that I don't agree with., including his top advisor and Chicago crony that also has had contact with the governor like the day before the election, probably feathering HIS nest for the senate seat also.

Chicago politics make NY City politics look like Sesame Street. His "cronies" as you call them are probably tainted as hell, and it will come out later when it is too late. I strongly believe that HE will do a good job, but what kind of crooked crap is going to happen on the fringes and what financial aid is going to be wrongfully and dissproportionatley is going to be paid to "Crook County" Illinois, and to the democrat machine in Chicago, through his "aids" and appointed heads of agencies.

[frankcor]

I am fully satisfied that Obama's internal investigation into his own involvement in the selling of his senate seat will clear up any questions about any possible involvement he may have had.

Uh huh. Anybody got a bridge for sale?