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Post by dgriffin on Sept 25, 2008 23:45:37 GMT -5
The Whoppers of 2008FactCheck.Org www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/the_whoppers_of_2008.html"Normally we post a "Whoppers" compilation the week before Election Day. This time we've already seen such a large number of twisted facts, misleading claims and outright falsehoods that we are doing that now." " McCain has made multiple false representations of Obama's tax proposals. Obama has made false claims about McCain's stance on Social Security. Both McCain and Obama have traded some whoppers about their energy policies, about Iraq, and about Iran, and about supporting troops." "For our full sampler of the campaign distortions we've seen so far, please read on to our Analysis section. There we provide summaries and links to extensive articles on each. This is a partial tally. We still have more than five weeks to go before Nov. 4." 
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Post by clarencebunsen on Sept 26, 2008 6:11:52 GMT -5
Reading this while watching the Today showing doing a report on the Bailout & the Debate (I have the TV right above the monitor) brings new meaning to the term "laughed 'til I cried."
where is Monty Python when we need meaningful commentary?
Maybe Obama could dump Joe Biden & substitute Michael Palin.
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Post by dgriffin on Sept 26, 2008 6:33:57 GMT -5
Only in America can we embarrass ourselves to solutions.
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Post by Clipper on Sept 26, 2008 8:43:39 GMT -5
There was an article in our paper this morning, showing where Obama and McCain voted the same on a majority of issues of importance. The showed twelve important issues, including offshore drilling, the border fence, Gitmo torture, funding the war, and other issues. The issue that surprised me, was that Obama at one point voted yes for a bill that funded more money for Veterans medical care, and McCain voted against it.
I have to agree with the person that proposed that possibly a great ticket would have been McCain and Obama on the same ticket, and the resolution of the us and them battle. Never would happen, but it makes sense to me.
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Post by dgriffin on Sept 26, 2008 9:00:35 GMT -5
Well, that goes to my argument that none of the candidates are stupid, and although self-interested (some would say to the extreme), sans party nonsense and given the proper information they would normally make similar decisions. It's the politics that sickens the process. But it's always been that way.
I believe in early US presidential elections the vice president was the candidate who was the runner-up and could be (and was in a few instances) from another party.
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Post by clarencebunsen on Sept 26, 2008 20:43:19 GMT -5
Clipper,
If I remember correctly, there were 2 competing Veterans bills. McCain supported the one that was favored by the Pentagon, Obama the one that was favored by a majority of our political leaders. Anyone can feel free to correct me without fear of hurting my feelings. I should never work from memory when it's past my bedtime.
Dave,
The system of 1st guy being President and 2nd being Vice-President really only worked well for Washington & Adams. Adams & Jefferson were not exactly teammates. By the time Jeffrson was elected, political parties were well enough established that Jefferson & Burr could get the same number of electoral votes and Burr caused his mischief even though everyone knew that Jefferson was supposed to be President & Burr Vice-President.
The Constitution was then ammended for separate ballots for President & Vice President.
No, I did not know Thomas Jefferson, though I did know someone whose father was 10 years old when Jefferson & Adams died (she was 10 years old when she saw Custer on his way to Montana). Amazing how young our country is.
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Post by dgriffin on Sept 26, 2008 22:47:21 GMT -5
Thanks, CB. I didn't know the constitution had been amended for that purpose. That's sort of disappointing.  And it IS amazing that we're such a young country. More amazing to me is that it was created by the people involved. Not everyone, of course, but more so than any other nation. |
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Post by Clipper on Sept 27, 2008 3:25:25 GMT -5
l am not sure, but I think Dave also met him on his way to Montana. Dave was having a beer at Baggs Hotel and told Custer that he would buy him a beer when he came back through. He and Moses Bagg sipped ale for many a day while looking westward, before receiving word that Custer had been killed at Little Big Horn.
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Post by wilum47 on Sept 28, 2008 14:16:09 GMT -5
l am not sure, but I think Dave also met him on his way to Montana. Dave was having a beer at Baggs Hotel and told Custer that he would buy him a beer when he came back through. He and Moses Bagg sipped ale for many a day while looking westward, before receiving word that Custer had been killed at Little Big Horn. Hey Clip, I think you're right didn't we meet Dave and Moses after we finally got back from nailing in that golden spike? ;D |
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Post by Clipper on Sept 28, 2008 14:19:45 GMT -5
Yes I think we did, but I was too tired for beer and went straight to bed after pumping that handcar all the way from Utah. My biceps still ache.
I think Schrader was there too, making sub sandwiches and sipping on a Jenny. LOL
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Post by Clipper on Sept 28, 2008 14:21:28 GMT -5
Hurry up Dan. Turn this one around before Ralph sees it and brings out the Iconic Flusheroo.
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Post by dan on Sept 28, 2008 15:16:09 GMT -5
Yer on yer own here, bubba........
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Post by Clipper on Sept 28, 2008 15:25:57 GMT -5
LOL
Maybe Dave can save it. I seem incapable of serious discussion at this point, but that is nothing new, sorry.
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Post by dgriffin on Sept 28, 2008 19:47:36 GMT -5
Me, Dave? I'm not following you guys. "Bagg's Hotel was built in 1794 by Moses Bagg, a blacksmith, to accomodate weary travelers waiting for their horses' shoes to be repaired. At first, it was just a shanty made of hemlock boards nailed to the tops of four trees. Shortly afterwards, he put up a two story wooden building on the same site, namely, the corner of John and Main Street. " Above from Utica Children's Museum webpage at: www.museum4kids.net/Diorama.htmIn our modern day, Moses would get a $7 Million grant from the feds or borrow it from Lehman Brothers. But he'd still put up only 4 boards in the trees. Hey, they have a neat diorama I'd like to go see! Maybe I can disguise myself as a kid. Maybe I don't need to. One of the displays shows, "Samuel Morse Studio/Laboratory." The web page says Morse was a frequent visitor to Utica, but I don't think he had a lab there on Rutger Park. "The long experience (Faxton)had gained in his stage line had taught him man's growing need for speed. A consultation with Professor Morse, the inventor, followed. On Mr. Faxton's return to Utica, he and others formed a company which built a line between Utica and Springfield and began operating the first telegraph in the state. In fact, it was the first commercial telegraph in the world." (I think Springfield is where you turn off Rte. 20 to go south to Cooperstown.) Well, didah didahdit !  |
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