Mother of son that caused mass killings at school shooting

[Atticus Pizzaballa]

Jury foreperson in Jennifer Crumbley case says the mother failed to 'secure' the gun used in the mass shooting from her son

Jennifer Crumbley, 45, was convicted of involuntary manslaughter in connection with the deadly school shooting carried out by her then-15-year-old son in 2021.


Feb. 7, 2024, 7:57 AM EST / Updated Feb. 7, 2024, 8:43 AM EST

By Phil Helsel and Marlene Lenthang

The jury foreperson in the trial of Jennifer Crumbley said the guilty verdict wasn't immediately unanimous, but evidence presented in trial including her son's notebook writings played a "huge part."



Crumbley was convicted of all four counts of involuntary manslaughter Tuesday, with the jury holding her criminally responsible for the shooting carried out by her son, Ethan Crumbley, at Oxford High School on Nov. 30, 2021.



It was an unprecedented, unanimous decision as it marked the first time in the United States that a parent has been held responsible for their child carrying out a mass school shooting.



“Speaking for myself, I know that each individual juror had their own opinion," the jury foreperson, Alex, whose last name was not disclosed for her privacy, told NBC's "TODAY" show Wednesday. "For me, I just feel like Jennifer didn’t separate her son from the gun enough to save those lives that day."



She noted how the mother was the last person known to have had custody of the gun before her son used it in the shooting.





And I think the responsibility of securing the weapon then falls on her,” Alex said.



Host Savannah Guthrie asked her: “What about those text messages or journal entries or things that jurors saw that indicated Ethan had asked for help and his parents hadn’t given him that help, was that persuasive to you?”



“To me personally, it wasn’t as impactful as the evidence of her having the gun, but I know for my fellow jurors, the notebook played a huge part," Alex said.



Alex described the emotional toll of the trial, saying the jury felt "an undeniable weight on us."



“We all took the responsibility that was put upon us seriously. And I’m just one of 12, but made a very difficult decision," she explained.



Crumbley, 45, faces up to 15 years in prison per count. Sentencing is scheduled for April 9.



Her husband, James Crumbley, has also been charged with four counts of involuntary manslaughter. He has pleaded not guilty and is set for trial next month.



Ethan Crumbley, 15 years old at that time, opened fire at Oxford High School in Oxford, Michigan, with a 9 mm Sig Sauer handgun that his father had purchased and given him days before, prosecutors have said.


www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/juror-foreperson-jennifer-crumbley-case-says-mother-failed-secure-gun-rcna137633

Thank God the mother was found guilty of involuntary manslaughter hopefully now this will help lawyers and DA's launch similar charges against the parents of these young kids doing all the shooting and killings in Utica and other places.

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Yea, lets's blame the parents as gun manufacturers & politicians who do their bidding are let off the hook. That way, every single person who has a pulse can own a gun.

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Feb 8, 2024 14:06:19 GMT -5 BHU said:

Yea, lets's blame the parents as gun manufacturers & politicians who do their bidding are let off the hook. That way, every single person who has a pulse can own a gun.

Gun manufacturers being let off the hook? Give it a break. Why would THEY be held responsible? Is General motors responsible if you get run over and killed by a Chevy? Is the brewery responsible if you get drunk on their beer and kill someone in a DUI crash? When a gun owner isn't carrying the weapon it should either be locked up or have a trigger lock in place. If you have an unstable teen that is shooting holes in targets tacked to his bedroom wall, you damned sure need to take extra precautions to insure that they don't gain access to your weapons. We have an administration in office that is leaving the border wide open, inviting every prospective terrorist, fentanyl carrying drug mule, and child trafficking coyote, and you think that we should not be able to purchase or own guns to defend ourselves, our property, and our loved ones?

Ask an Ilion resident who lost their job when Remington moved South if THEY think that mass shootings are the fault of the gun manufacturer's. Ask them if semi-automatic hunting rifles or pistols should be outlawed? Those who adamantly oppose guns and gun ownership have finally managed to drive the last nail in the coffin of the Ilion Remington Arms factory. I hope they are happy now that their anti-gun rhetoric has devastated a community.

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Where did I say I was against gun ownership? My point was that gun manufacturers & the NRA have been marketing guns in the past few years to anyone who has cash to buy one. There are over 400 million guns owned by every Tom, Dick & Harry in the Country. Let's have a few more mass school shootings, Religious congregation shootings, mall shootings etc until Washington politicians owned by the gun lobby do something. Remington Arms? Now it's the fault of people who are sick of mass killings that RA moved south? RA was bought by some Wall St outfit that moved out of Ilion for the cheaper labor found in the South. Ask the people who lost their jobs what they think of the corporation that screwed them, nstead of blaming others who had nothingvto do with it.

Btw, the border issue & the bill to address it was tanked by Trump & his lackeys in the HOR & the Senate because they're too gutless to stand up to Trump because HE needs an issue to rant & rave about even though when he was POTUS he did nothing about it except lock children up in cages & kidnap children from their own parents. The GOP held the W.H., the Senate & the HOR for 2 years & they did nothing about the border except run their yaps about it.

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I don't know how you can say that the NRA and gun manufacturers are marketing guns to any Tom Dick or Harry in the country. Every gun sale from a licensed dealer requires a federal background check and that includes guns purchased from dealers at gun shows. Any illegally purchased weapons at a gun show are most likely parking lot private sales by people who brought guns to sell and don't want to pay a licensed dealer to document and complete the transaction.

The NRA defends our legal rights to own what is simply a semi-automatic rifle, no different or more dangerous than the semi-auto 30-30 or shotgun sold to hunters and collectors. It also protects our right to carry a handgun for self protection but there is a responsibility that goes with owning a weapon and not keeping it secure can turn into a egregious and irresponsible act of negligence as is the case in question. Not the fault of gun manufacturers, the NRA, or anyone's "lackeys" seeing as how they had no involvement in selling the father of the shooter the gun.

Incidentally, it was the Obama administration that built the cages and confined the immigrant children in them. www.snopes.com/fact-check/obama-build-cages-immigrants/

RA left Ilion after many years of battling over taxation and a state government that was anything but friendly to gun manufacturers. You can blame Hochul and NY's liberal democrats for pushing Remington and other industries out of NY to the South where taxes don't decimate profits and the state government doesn't engage in an eternal assault on the second amendment with ineffective laws such as restricting magazine size and where gun owners don't need a dispensation from the pope and a note from their mommy to buy a box of ammunition. Bottom line in this case is that the father bought an unstable and troubled kid a 9 mm pistol and the mother was aware of it. Papa bear bought the gun and will be coming to trial soon and hopefully he will get an even longer sentence than mama bear. udayton.edu/magazine/2022/01/criminally-responsible.php

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I'm not defending the parents. They were incompetent. My point is that there are too many guns out there owned by too many people who are idiots, the mentall unstable,  cowboys who think guns are a toy & whatever. Gun ownership has been marketed to the population by the NRA as a lobbying group for gun makers & people are dying, including innocent children because of it. If the NRA & gun makers actually educated people about gun ownership & advocated for reform then Big Brother wouldn't have had to step in & do it for THEM. They brought some of those regulations on themselves because of their inaction becase citizens are fed up with children & other innocents being massacred.

That'll all have to say about that one.

[Atticus Pizzaballa]

Gee I did not know this would open up an argument about NRA and gun manufacturers. I do know that parents have to be responsible for their children's action. The big problem with the legal age thing is that the kids are slapped on the hand with no consequences so what is best is to go after the parents.