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Post by Clipper on Oct 23, 2023 16:37:09 GMT -5
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Post by BHU on Oct 23, 2023 17:45:50 GMT -5
With only 1 ER in the Utica area I can just imagine what wait times will be for patients once the new hospital opens. I'd hate to be a patient in ICU & have to be placed in an ambulance to be moved to this new hospital. Sounds pretty damn stressfull to me.
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Post by Clipper on Oct 24, 2023 7:41:36 GMT -5
I hadn't given any thought to the wait times that may be incurred by having only one ER in the area. The last time I used our local ER there was only one doctor and one NP on duty at night, and the place was mobbed. I laid in the ER for 6 hours, and that was after waiting in the waiting room for an hour or more, and I was there for chest pains. Turns out that I had just strained my chest muscles throwing firewood around thank goodness.
I was wondering about the equipment end of the move. That should be a logistical nightmare insuring that there was proper equipment available to meet any needs at the new hospital while shutting down the old hospitals and getting up and running at the new one. I have been skeptical about the entire process of consolidating the three hospitals into one right from the beginning, and as far as parking and walking anywhere in downtown Utica after dark, they better reserve a couple of beds in the ER for the mugging victims.
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Post by clarencebunsen on Oct 24, 2023 9:43:30 GMT -5
Building the main parking garage was slowed down because Brett Truit and the No Hospital Garage Downtown group bought properties in the garage footprint and slowed everything down with lawsuits. Equipment, beds, furniture ... is not being moved. Everything is being replaced.
For the location, blame the politicians. The St. Luke's board wanted to build next to the existing building. The guys spending our money said, "If you want the money, build it downtown." Money talks.
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Post by Clipper on Oct 24, 2023 9:51:36 GMT -5
Building it downtown when St. Lukes would have been a much better and more convenient location certainly was a strictly politically driven move.
I can't believe that they are buying all new furniture. What the hell are the other hospitals going to do with hundreds of hospital beds, tray tables, and bedside stands? I hope that they donate a significant amount of it to veteran's groups that provide loans of hospital equipment such as wheel chairs and hospital beds. I don't know if they still do, but Post 229 in N. Utica used to have items to loan.
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Post by clarencebunsen on Oct 24, 2023 12:22:06 GMT -5
Barb says that there are companies that specialize in things like used hospital beds. I guess there is a market maker for anything that can be marketed.
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Post by BHU on Oct 24, 2023 15:17:40 GMT -5
Building the main parking garage was slowed down because Brett Truit and the No Hospital Garage Downtown group bought properties in the garage footprint and slowed everything down with lawsuits. Equipment, beds, furniture ... is not being moved. Everything is being replaced. For the location, blame the politicians. The St. Luke's board wanted to build next to the existing building. The guys spending our money said, "If you want the money, build it downtown." Money talks. Then they turned around & tried to stick Utica taxpayers for millions of dollars to help build a parking garage for MVHS which is a for profit corporation. Our taxes would have skyrocketed & that's why Picente & bigwigs from MVHS blasted Palmieri in the news media when he refused to go along with that screwjob attempt on Utica taxpayers. If that hospital was built at St Luke's it would probably be open by now because the eminent domain process, the lawsuits, streetscaping etc, underground infrastructure upgrades downtown & demo of all the properties on the footprint of the new hospital would not have been neccesary. |
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Post by Atticus Pizzaballa on Oct 24, 2023 16:00:51 GMT -5
I have watched the building of the hospital from demo of the buildings. The building is absolutely beautiful and now landscaping is in full operation and that is also very nice. WHen I was involved with the Franciscans and ran three nursing homes I was involved in moving residents to a new building that was built. The old nursing home which was on the main grounds of the community was in need of much work. It was built in 1947 and along the years gone by various standards by Medicare and Medicaid would have been way to costly so a new one floor nursing home with three wings and a center hub area. Beautiful place. I forgot how many millions it took to build it but they did a great job.
The fencing that was all around the hospital is all done and I have seen from the Bus some people walking through the hospital ground especially going to the new eatery Brooklyn Pickle. I understand the hospital will sell Utica Roast Coffee so that will be a nice place to go for coffee in the cafeteria.
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Post by Clipper on Oct 24, 2023 19:05:14 GMT -5
I have watched the building of the hospital from demo of the buildings. The building is absolutely beautiful and now landscaping is in full operation and that is also very nice. WHen I was involved with the Franciscans and ran three nursing homes I was involved in moving residents to a new building that was built. The old nursing home which was on the main grounds of the community was in need of much work. It was built in 1947 and along the years gone by various standards by Medicare and Medicaid would have been way to costly so a new one floor nursing home with three wings and a center hub area. Beautiful place. I forgot how many millions it took to build it but they did a great job. The fencing that was all around the hospital is all done and I have seen from the Bus some people walking through the hospital ground especially going to the new eatery Brooklyn Pickle. I understand the hospital will sell Utica Roast Coffee so that will be a nice place to go for coffee in the cafeteria. Kathy's aunt and uncle used to go to the St Lukes cafeteria for lunch when they were shopping in Utica. For one reason or another they simply loved eating there. Our hospital here has decent food but i would hardly put it on top of my list of dining destinations. |
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Post by clarencebunsen on Oct 25, 2023 7:54:37 GMT -5
MVHS is a not for profit 501 (c)(3) organization. There are no shareholders who receive profits. St. E's was a Catholic hospital before the merger. It was not just non-profit, it was deeply in debt with no prospects for paying it's bills. St. Luke's paid its bills but was cash flow negative for years.
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Post by Clipper on Oct 25, 2023 8:27:30 GMT -5
What I always hated about all three of the hospitals years ago was that most of the rooms were semi-private and my experience with the couple of times I was hospitalized was that either I ended up with a room mate that moaned in pain and kept the nurses running answering his many calls, or had a room mate that could talk the balls off a brass monkey. Thank goodness private rooms are the norm now.
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Post by BHU on Oct 25, 2023 15:01:33 GMT -5
What I always hated about all three of the hospitals years ago was that most of the rooms were semi-private and my experience with the couple of times I was hospitalized was that either I ended up with a room mate that moaned in pain and kept the nurses running answering his many calls, or had a room mate that could talk the balls off a brass monkey. Thank goodness private rooms are the norm now. I was a patient at Faxton years ago after I broke my ankle & had to have surgery to put it back together. They stuck me in a ward with 4 other patients. If it wasen't for the Demarol they were giving me I wouldn't have had a minutes peace for the 3 days I was in there. But imho Faxton was the best hospital out of the 3. |
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Post by BHU on Oct 25, 2023 15:05:01 GMT -5
MVHS is a not for profit 501 (c)(3) organization. There are no shareholders who receive profits. St. E's was a Catholic hospital before the merger. It was not just non-profit, it was deeply in debt with no prospects for paying it's bills. St. Luke's paid its bills but was cash flow negative for years. I didn't know that. Either way I wouldn't set foot in that place at gunpoint. Last time I visited there it looked like a hospital you'd see in Bangladesh. |
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Post by Atticus Pizzaballa on Oct 25, 2023 15:50:55 GMT -5
I have watched the building of the hospital from demo of the buildings. The building is absolutely beautiful and now landscaping is in full operation and that is also very nice. WHen I was involved with the Franciscans and ran three nursing homes I was involved in moving residents to a new building that was built. The old nursing home which was on the main grounds of the community was in need of much work. It was built in 1947 and along the years gone by various standards by Medicare and Medicaid would have been way to costly so a new one floor nursing home with three wings and a center hub area. Beautiful place. I forgot how many millions it took to build it but they did a great job. The fencing that was all around the hospital is all done and I have seen from the Bus some people walking through the hospital ground especially going to the new eatery Brooklyn Pickle. I understand the hospital will sell Utica Roast Coffee so that will be a nice place to go for coffee in the cafeteria. Kathy's aunt and uncle used to go to the St Lukes cafeteria for lunch when they were shopping in Utica. For one reason or another they simply loved eating there. Our hospital here has decent food but i would hardly put it on top of my list of dining destinations. During my summers while in Grad school and also the year I was at a parish in Syracuse I would go every Tuesday for taco's at, get ready, Upstate Medical Hospital. They had fantastic food there. I forgot the day but you could make your own submarine sandwich!!! I loved it.And there vegetable beef soup was to die for...and so was the roast beef... I remember the Pastor asked me one day where do you go for lunch and dinner a few time a week. I said to him wanna go it is Upstate Medical... great food choices. I didn't tell him I do not eat hot dogs or mac and cheese or God forbid tuna noodle casserole so that is why no eating at rectory. I did enjoy the chicken broccoli casserole For my 8 week intensive Clinical Pastoral Education Program at Veterans Hospital in Syracuse I ate lunch and some dinners and breakfasts at that Hospital and also at Upstate Medical. At Veterans there was always some patient that I would treat for lunch... |
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Post by Atticus Pizzaballa on Oct 25, 2023 15:59:10 GMT -5
What I always hated about all three of the hospitals years ago was that most of the rooms were semi-private and my experience with the couple of times I was hospitalized was that either I ended up with a room mate that moaned in pain and kept the nurses running answering his many calls, or had a room mate that could talk the balls off a brass monkey. Thank goodness private rooms are the norm now. I was a patient at Faxton years ago after I broke my ankle & had to have surgery to put it back together. They stuck me in a ward with 4 other patients. If it wasn't for the Demarol they were giving me I wouldn't have had a minutes peace for the 3 days I was in there. But imho Faxton was the best hospital out of t |
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