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Post by concerned on Aug 20, 2008 8:29:18 GMT -5
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Post by lilbump1980 on Aug 20, 2008 9:34:47 GMT -5
To Concerned: IT is a shame, no license, no registration, tags from another vehicle from another state. My question is I did not see the car wreck so I do not know how bad it is, however I have seen many bosinians, russians driving supped (sp) cars. I know a lot of them they buy cheap (salvaged) sometimes totalled and make them look nice so they can drive them. however a lot of those vehicles air bags have already deployed so they never replace them.. I parked next to a car the other day that had a hole in the steering wheel where the airbag would go, it was all opened and the airbag was cut out, the person was of russian or bosnian decent.. So my ? is do we know if airbags deployed. could the airbags have saved their lives?
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Post by rickolney on Aug 20, 2008 10:41:53 GMT -5
Ditto lilbump1980! I had the same questions. But yes, it is sad to hear that teenagers are not more aware of safeguarding their own lives.  |
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Post by stoney on Aug 20, 2008 11:10:55 GMT -5
A teenager's frontal cortex is not yet developed, & sometimes won't be fully developed until they are 25 or so. This s the part of the brain that governs reasoning and risk-taking.
It's no wonder insurance companies have higher rates for those under 25: They are aware of these facts.
Don't any of you remember taking more risks when you were that age, & having a devil-may-care attitude? I sure do...
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Post by lilbump1980 on Aug 20, 2008 12:22:34 GMT -5
No I didn't have a devil may care attitude-when it came to driving and putting my life and others in danger, sorry. My mother made sure I took drivers ed, I could not get my license until i was 17, and she thought i was mature enough to drive... Apparently parents are not involved in their children's lives. My mom was , and my insurance was not that bad at all since i had great grades and took drivers ed. I am 28 and still have a clean drivers license, and great rate on insurance.
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Post by dgriffin on Aug 20, 2008 15:53:49 GMT -5
Yes, I do remember taking unreasonable chances at that age. I was indestructible and bullet proof. I suppose you could have quoted me statistics, if such was a fashionable argument back then, but in my heart I knew I would live forever and tragedy would happen to the other guy. Lucky for me, it did. When my car left the road on the way back from the Beach, it landed on a cross road, instead of in a pond. When I skidded off Route 20 backwards another night, the guard rail hung the car up over a precipice and allowed me to get out. Those were just my driving escapades. And I was a sort of a good kid, not a real heller. I am still here through no sensible caution of my own.
Many friends are not. It's a fact that of all the friends I've lost so far, even at my age of 64, most were young men rather than old.
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Post by stoney on Aug 20, 2008 18:43:48 GMT -5
Lilbump, I also took driver's ed & have a clean driver's license. But I used to hitch-hike all over hell's creation before age 25 or so & did stuff that I would never do now, as Rick said.
It's a fact: The brain, especially the part I cited, is not fully formed & we're not very responsible at that age.
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Post by lilbump1980 on Aug 20, 2008 21:12:05 GMT -5
well i know some people are not very responsible at that age, however i was.. I must say.. Now adays if parents paid attention to their kids actions, and whearabouts, we wouldn't have this problem I know 11 yrs ago when i got my license, i had to have my car home at a certain time, tell my mom where i was going who i was with . ,, i paid my own insurance,but she bought my car so i did what i was told, never was un responsible.. that is all i am saying if parents are involved this could have been avoided
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Post by tanouryjr on Aug 20, 2008 21:43:38 GMT -5
This was terrible. One thing I have come to learn from working in a community that has a lot of russian, bosnian, etc. residents is that they are still adjusting to our country and culture. They are great people and have very close families. From what I understand, these were two wonderful kids. But remember that they come from countries that have very different laws and social norms. Plus, as Stoney pointed out, they were only 17. I consider myself to have been a pretty responsible teenager, but I deffinately done some stupid things, many of which could have killed me in retrospect. The only difference between me and them is LUCK. I was lucky and if I happened to be "unlucky", it wouldn't have been my mother's fault. She can't be with me all the time. Just makes me very sad and thankful for everyday I have with my family.
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Post by lilbump1980 on Aug 21, 2008 7:20:42 GMT -5
Larry, You are absolutley right, if you were "unlucky" it wouldn't have been your mom's fault, I just feel that parent's are not in their childs lives now as much as they used to be, and you are 100% correct their culture is very different, i just wish these children would not have been so "unlucky" it is sad
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Post by rickolney on Aug 21, 2008 7:41:00 GMT -5
Well, their brains probably were not mature enough, but common sense comes to people in the smallest ways and instances when we're children. When a child touches not to touch something 'hot' and gets burned they recall the pain sensation. In this instance, the vein of common sense didn't seem to be very strong in these lads. Sadly, it is something that all parents (regardless of ethnic heritage) need to remind and guide their kids on.
Yeah, I did stupid things as a youngster. I took chances. But not in a car and behind a steering wheel. I'm just sad for their families.
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Post by denise on Aug 21, 2008 8:00:13 GMT -5
I did a whole lot of stupid driving when I was 17, including seeing how fast I could get going while driving on Center Rd in Frankfort. I feel very fortunate that I'm not dead because of it.
I'm sorry that those two boys are dead. Just because they were young and foolish doesn't mean that they deserve it, that's for sure. I'm pretty certain that whether or not they had drivers licenses and a registered and insured vehicle would have made much difference in the outcome.
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Post by concerned on Aug 21, 2008 10:18:23 GMT -5
Larry I don't agree. You can not use there culture as an excuse for not following New York State law. What that comes down to is excusing a person from our laws because they were not aware of the law. You cannot blame ignorance for an excuse for not following the law.
They chose to violate NYS law and as a result were killed. Can you imagine if this had been an accident that clamed other peoples lives and those families found that those drivers did not have insurence or anything else. Granted that wasn't the case but none the less these are 17 yr olds who were born here and graduated from High School and about to go to college. Didn't it down on them or there friends or family that they were driving around illegally. The parents are to blame and since the fids were not of legal age these parents should be charged with at least parental neglect. I would guess that there are other lawsuits that can be leveled against the parents.
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Post by stoney on Aug 21, 2008 10:19:58 GMT -5
I agree with Denise. It becomes too easy to blame the victim (or the victim's poor mother, who is also a victim in this case).
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Post by frankcor on Aug 25, 2008 14:00:19 GMT -5
Nope, I never did anything risky or foolhardy when I was a kid. Unless of course, standing on the roof of a car traveling down a dirt road, imitating a surfer to the sounds of the Beach Boys could be considered risky. ::blush::
Or standing in the open door of a Huey without a harness, taking aim at hostiles on the ground.
Nope, not me. Never.
Stoney's right. While the frontal lobes are nearly fully developed, the wiring is rarely complete in males before the age of 23.
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